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George Orwell: Politics and the English Language (1946)

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Re: George Orwell: Politics and the English Language (1946)

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The more I read Orwell's essays of the 1940s the more they seem like a master class in how to write, which means they are also a master class in how to think. The clarity and impact in his style are so powerful that it's actually shocking. Moreover, it seems to be aging well, so Orwell's reputation (specifically for this) has been increasing. Other great examples: http://orwell.ru/library/essays/wiw/english/e_wiw htt…

Christopher Hitchens has a few hour long talks recorded on youtube about his book 'Why Orwell matters' and explains what gave him that kind of insight. 1984 was widely distributed in the Soviet underground and those who read it could not figure out how Orwell understood perfectly what life under Stalin was like without having experienced it himself.

Somebody today with that kind of directness and clarity would be John Ralston Saul, who advocates writing in clear language. Voltaire's Bastards was written in the 90s and is very much still relevant today.

Re: George Orwell: Politics and the English Language (1946)

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I'm about to go do something, but wanted to be somewhat critical; the result will probably be a bit all over the place and incoherent: The irony of this post, of course, is that it decries the evolution of language while praising the evolved parts of the language. Orwell says, ‘… while on the other hand a metaphor which is technically “dead” (e.g. iron resolution) has in effect reverted to being an ordinary word and…

You might enjoy this article by Geoff Pullum on why P&EL is misguided https://chronicle.com/blogs/linguafranca/2013/04/04/eliminat...

Re: George Orwell: Politics and the English Language (1946)

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Timely post, considering the insanity I was just handed by my campus Social Justice society on my way inside the student union building. It's full of newspeak, and openly calls for the suppression and censorship of speech, literature and music on campus and contains unclear/vague threats of punishment to anybody "who benefits from promoting patriarchal attitudes and relations of power that were inflicted here by colonists."

Re: George Orwell: Politics and the English Language (1946)

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The more I read Orwell's essays of the 1940s the more they seem like a master class in how to write, which means they are also a master class in how to think. The clarity and impact in his style are so powerful that it's actually shocking. Moreover, it seems to be aging well, so Orwell's reputation (specifically for this) has been increasing. Other great examples: http://orwell.ru/library/essays/wiw/english/e_wiw htt…

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Re: George Orwell: Politics and the English Language (1946)

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I'm about to go do something, but wanted to be somewhat critical; the result will probably be a bit all over the place and incoherent: The irony of this post, of course, is that it decries the evolution of language while praising the evolved parts of the language. Orwell says, ‘… while on the other hand a metaphor which is technically “dead” (e.g. iron resolution) has in effect reverted to being an ordinary word and…

Kind of an ahistorical, huh?

Orwell wrote and lived in the context of rising totalitarianism. As in 1984, he saw totalitarianism as a new system that could arise under either capitalism or socialism.

Clearly, he's for the evolution of language's expressiveness but against the evolution of bureaucratic "duck-speak" (to use one of his later phrases).

[Source: Orwell's essay collection, My Country Right or Left]

Re: George Orwell: Politics and the English Language (1946)

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The more I read Orwell's essays of the 1940s the more they seem like a master class in how to write, which means they are also a master class in how to think. The clarity and impact in his style are so powerful that it's actually shocking. Moreover, it seems to be aging well, so Orwell's reputation (specifically for this) has been increasing. Other great examples: http://orwell.ru/library/essays/wiw/english/e_wiw htt…

> I would very much like to know what it was that gave Orwell that degree of insight.

Orwell said it himself, in Why I Write: he believed he has a "power of facing unpleasant facts".

By all accounts that sometimes made him difficult company. This focus on negativity probably contributed to his bouts of melancholy.

But this power, I believe, came from always putting people first. Unlike most intellectuals he never fell in love with his own intellect, or with the admiration of "honorable" people. Maybe he romanticized the common people a little too much, especially early in his career, but for him it was never an abstraction. I am not sure if there can be any explanation for this. That's just the way he was. He never stayed inside the lines drawn for him, not the traditional ones of class, nor the ones that one might draw around "radical" intellectuals.

So as a policeman in Burma, he got to know the locals and began to understand the horrors of imperialism. Later in life, he traveled to Catalonia to participate in the anarchist revolution as a common soldier, and saw what was beautiful, and ugly, about that. And Orwell saw firsthand how Stalin was engaged in pragmatic and brutal geopolitics, and was not the center of some worldwide proletarian movement.

Anyway, as you can see I'm kind of a fan.

Re: George Orwell: Politics and the English Language (1946)

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"The range of verbs is further cut down by means of the -ize and de- formations, and the banal statements are given an appearance of profundity by means of the not un- formation." Obviously, we need to deincentivize that. "one can even, if one jeers loudly enough, send some worn-out and useless phrase ... into the dustbin, where it belongs."

> into the dustbin

The irony being that this is one of the worst kind of cliches, proving that Orwell had no idea what he was talking about.

Re: George Orwell: Politics and the English Language (1946)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony of this post, of course, is that it decries the evolution of language while praising the evolved parts of the language. He decries one aspect of the evolution of language, the aspect which just hides meaning. And it seems to me, that objectively there is a incentive for many stakeholders to disguise the inherent meaning of their message, either to appear more disruptive in whichever space they move, or to s…

>He decries one aspect of the evolution of language, the aspect which just hides meaning. But that begs the question of whether meanings are in fact hidden, or simply changed -- at least as far as language as a whole is concerned[1]. There are of course individual cases where people are, as you point out, incentivized to do all sorts of weird things with language to accomplish some goal. Thus was rhetoric born. 1. Ma…

I sometimes try to talk with my mother about truth, reality, correct beliefs and so on. Her problem is, she is relativist. To her, the idea that there's only one reality, and that contradictory beliefs are incompatible is not only false, but repugnant.

One of the major causes happens to be vocabulary. In French, the closest synonymous for belief, "croyance", carries a heavy religious connotation. We have other words, such as "knowledge", "opinion"… but they have other problems. We just don't have a short colloquial word to convey the idea of a probability distribution, and no more.

"No problem, I'll just define the word for her." But I'm not allowed to. I'm supposed to be accessible, which means no long sentences, and no jargon. My trying to be precise comes of as pedantic, pretentious, and needlessly complicated.

And so we're stuck. She doesn't understand what I mean, and I can't explain it to her. Even worse, she actually believes she does understand. Because my words have meanings to her. Just not the meanings I wanted to convey.

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Re: George Orwell: Politics and the English Language (1946)

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Timely post, considering the insanity I was just handed by my campus Social Justice society on my way inside the student union building. It's full of newspeak, and openly calls for the suppression and censorship of speech, literature and music on campus and contains unclear/vague threats of punishment to anybody "who benefits from promoting patriarchal attitudes and relations of power that were inflicted here by colo…

Colonists? Where do you live?
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