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Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

I totally agree, I really think you should change the name. Some suggestions: - Locke Mail [from John Locke] - Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill] - Hobbes Mail - Liberty Mail

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Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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Came to say the exact same thing, I can't upvote this enough. It makes it sound negative, similar to the phrase "black hat".

Totally agree. There was a talk show on the radio yesterday about Tor, the illegal trade of drugs and other bad things on the Internet. They referred to it as "The dark web".

I bet they called it the 'deep' web, which is what it has been called for years.

Otherwise they were just wrong.

That being said, caring that the name might 'sound negative' seems ridiculous. Anyone who wants to rely on a form of secure communication wouldn't base their judgement solely on a name and ignore the context like who founded it. People who are willing to make those snap judgements aren't interested in the service.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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Sounds like another reinvention of the wheel, the "email" part of http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/

Dismissing or deriding a project because it is not completely novel is unhelpful.

Since 'retroshare' hasn't taken the world by storm, maybe that wheel needs to be reinvented.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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I hope they are successful. For a long time I have wished that someone with the expertise and time would be motivated to create a new email system from the ground up, and make that system widely available and 'open' (in the sense of open protocols). There are many challenges, but if they can pull it off there are many benefits as well. And perhaps the nicest part is that it is hard to actively oppose such efforts wit…

I think the biggest barrier to entry of any new and secure email protocol will be GMail. GMail (and similar services) are what most people seem to use at this point. And GMail won't update to 3.0 in any meaningful way, no matter what, since they want to be able to mine the data in your email, so they will still be storing it on their servers "in the clear." Which means the next time NSA hacks their servers, they'll s…

> GMail won't update to 3.0 in any meaningful way, no matter what

Perhaps this problem can be addressed by having a plugin/add-on/extension that decrypts the mail within the browser. GMail, Yahoo, or other mail providers that don't adopt this new and secure email protocol won't get the plaintext of your message, and preferably not the metadata either.

This requires that the new protocol use a converter or proxy or something to be able to talk to the existing email infrastructure. I'm sure this idea has occurred to the Silent Circle and Lavabit guys.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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post #132
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. There was a talk show on the radio yesterday about Tor, the illegal trade of drugs and other bad things on the Internet. They referred to it as "The dark web".

I bet they called it the 'deep' web, which is what it has been called for years. Otherwise they were just wrong. That being said, caring that the name might 'sound negative' seems ridiculous. Anyone who wants to rely on a form of secure communication wouldn't base their judgement solely on a name and ignore the context like who founded it. People who are willing to make those snap judgements aren't interested in the…

Anyone who wants to rely on a form of secure communication wouldn't base their judgement solely on a name and ignore the context like who founded it.

The future of security depends on having everyone use it, including those who don't currently (realize they should) care.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#136

I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

I totally agree, I really think you should change the name. Some suggestions: - Locke Mail [from John Locke] - Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill] - Hobbes Mail - Liberty Mail

Popper Mail (go read The Open Society and Its Enemies)

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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I do share your sentiment! The shorter "MyMail" makes the same point without needing the profanity, and your more emphatic name would then be available for the most desirable MyMail client...

MeMail

That's the Irish version, as in, "Do not read me mail."

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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I totally agree, I really think you should change the name. Some suggestions: - Locke Mail [from John Locke] - Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill] - Hobbes Mail - Liberty Mail

I suggest names that don't have limited country/cultural references if the intent is to make this a global success. Some other suggestions: -SecMail (Secure Email) -PrivMail (private/privacy email) -FMail (freedom email) -NetMail (New Internet standard email) And thank you for taking this on, it is seriously needed. And please, no reliance on CA certs, chances are the NSA has compromised at least some of those.

how did you manage not to say FreeMail

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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I totally agree, I really think you should change the name. Some suggestions: - Locke Mail [from John Locke] - Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill] - Hobbes Mail - Liberty Mail

BitMail?

Lavamail?

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#140
I hope to see this magic new mystery protocol as something similar to TextSecure, where we have forward secrecy from the OTR protocol.

The current e-mail protocols are far too centralized, which doesn't make sense. Mail is delivered, and after that, it is no longer in possession of USPS. This is unlike how E-mail works (even though it kind of seems like that's what happens).

I hope to see some kind of client being required to run on my computer to decrypt e-mails at rest and receive e-mails that are delivered to me from the central server.

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