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Re: College Is A Waste. Replace It With Y Combinator

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I'm a student who is halfway done with a degree in Entrepreneurship. I often ask myself what the hell I'm doing, and the answer is simple--society says I have to. Now, I realize its all one big hoax, but I've stuck with it because of the relationships I have built thus far. With that having been said, I would happily give my $30,000/year in student loans to an incubator program that could actually get me started. May…

Degree in Entrepreneurship? I've not heard of this, and (off the bat) it seems like it might be one huge contradiction, or a way for a school to bundle a bunch of pre-existing courses together into something "new and innovative" that they can advertise. Can you discuss your program a bit?

Like jasonlbaptiste explained, it really is a hodge-podge of offerings with a heavy emphasis on management and administration. At Bradley University (my school), they have not completely just "bundled a bunch of pre-existing courses together." Most of my classes have been tailored to fit the needs of start-ups (ie. instead of Cost Accounting, I took Advanced Entrepreneurial Accounting).

All in all, I don't feel that the program is a total bust. Thanks to an endowment from an alumni, I have a free subscription to magazines such as Inc. and Small Business, an all-inclusive trip to an Entrepreneurship conference once a year, and access to a center for entrepreneurship that provides counseling and training from experienced professionals. If anything, my degree provides me resources similar to what is offered at YC (without the prestige, quality, and seed funding).

Re: College Is A Waste. Replace It With Y Combinator

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nah - I like the people I work with but good friends? Besides they all have the same interests right? (or thereabouts) :) no variety. You've fallen back a bit onto the "so drunk you black out" stereotype. Which isnt fair at all - you're right there is little value in that but it doesnt mean the other 99% of the time socialising isnt valuable :)

Posted partly in jest. I remember something my sister once said. She wants her kids to go to college and play sports because it's the best way of learning teamwork. I begged to differ, suggesting they oughta get jobs instead. I agree completely with your original post. One of my most vivid early college memories was teaching the other 100 or so freshmen in my dorm how to use the washing machine. Geesh, leave them in…

Yeh I know - sorry I didnt intend to jump quite so vociferously to defence. :D

Re: College Is A Waste. Replace It With Y Combinator

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A lot of people are missing the point of the anti-college position.

Imagine a car which gets 8 MPG and breaks down every day. Now, you know this car sucks, so you criticize it constantly. But then the car manufacturer hits back: "Cars are necessary. Cars help you get places faster. Cars are comfortable and private."

Of course, you know all this. You're not opposed to the idea of using a vehicle for fast transportation; you're just opposed to what passes for a car today.

And so it is with college. I oppose the standard model for universities which prevails in today's world (largely due to state support): four years, classes, lectures, A-F grades, rigid structure, and so on.

I do NOT oppose learning, education, networking, socializing, relaxing, and having fun. In fact, I think all of those things can be done better with a radically different school system. So please don't keep telling me college provides all this. Some of us do think today's colleges do such a bad job that you're better off not going even if you miss out on some things. But that doesn't mean we actually want everyone to miss out on these experiences as an ideal.

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> The truth is that college is one big party I believe 100% this is THE most important part of college/university level education. The education part is minor because if you have a subject interest it will come fairly naturally (I do think if you have to force knowledge in there is no point trying). Partying is socialising, building a circle of friends/associates and generally learning how humanity interacts. Indeed…

As somebody who attended college off and on, and in my 20s instead of right out of high school, I missed out on this. I think you're on to something there, ErrantX. I've been a fan of some required national service for some of these same reasons. I think not only you, but society as a whole benefits when young people are put together and form support groups as part of starting off. It should be encouraged more.

Your post surprises me, because just a couple of days ago you told me you were a libertarian, and that suggests you would oppose all forms of slavery. Of course, you later added that you were a utilitarian, and you're certainly not the first utilitarian to favor some type of slavery. But I don't see how you can square this with the "libertarian" label.

Re: College Is A Waste. Replace It With Y Combinator

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Preaching 'College is a waste of time' and dropping out of college makes you a Facebook founder, isn't healthy! If you are studying Computer Science, you need to learn Artificial Intelligence or Architecture design, you cannot say it has no relevance to the industry. It does, and it helps to shape up a young mind to look at the BIG picture. YCombi is great, but how can you replace that for College education? Its narr…

I'm a 4th year CS major. During the second year, I seriously reconsidered changing majors. I felt CS "wasn't enough programming", and therefore not relevant to my future.

However, I stuck to it. It's only recently that I've discovered that all that set theory, automata theory, and architecture theory has actually made me a much better programmer than I would have been otherwise.

On the other hand, a CS major alone will not make you a good programmer. You must also program in your spare time, continuously, constantly learning, whether it be work or personal projects.

Re: College Is A Waste. Replace It With Y Combinator

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Maybe rephrase "College Is a Waste for __fill_in_the_blank__ Majors" Is college a waste for Doctors & Lawyers? Do you want a doctor to learn his trade on-the-job? College is a big waste for a lot of majors, but certainly not in general...

Not to mention electrical, mechanical or chemical engineers, scientists, editors, diplomats, or anyone else who requires a large and deep pool of specialized knowledge.

Re: College Is A Waste. Replace It With Y Combinator

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As somebody who attended college off and on, and in my 20s instead of right out of high school, I missed out on this. I think you're on to something there, ErrantX. I've been a fan of some required national service for some of these same reasons. I think not only you, but society as a whole benefits when young people are put together and form support groups as part of starting off. It should be encouraged more.

Required National Service is a horrible idea, for a myriad of reasons -- #1 of which is that it's slavery. Notice how whenever anyone talks about national service, it's always aimed at the politically naive (children, and young adults). We don't see required national service for 35 year olds, or 60 year olds. Now supporting groups for young people to tackle is interesting problems (where they develop character and la…

Is there a middle ground? So for example I would be a fan of young people who left school and stay on the dole for several years (say 2 years) being made to do some form of service (maybe not military). It would certainly give them a boost IMO.

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Required National Service is a horrible idea, for a myriad of reasons -- #1 of which is that it's slavery. Notice how whenever anyone talks about national service, it's always aimed at the politically naive (children, and young adults). We don't see required national service for 35 year olds, or 60 year olds. Now supporting groups for young people to tackle is interesting problems (where they develop character and la…

Is there a middle ground? So for example I would be a fan of young people who left school and stay on the dole for several years (say 2 years) being made to do some form of service (maybe not military). It would certainly give them a boost IMO.

I don't understand why you want young people to stay on the dole for 2 years? Shouldn't they being doing something productive? I think that the constant age segregation throughout school and college is actually a major hindrance to most people. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve, there are already programs for people that want structure (college, peace corps, military, volunteer work, etc).. I'd personally prefer to have them do something that delivers value, than doing something that makes them feel good but is ultimately wasteful. I also think its wrong to take money from others to subsidize programs that aren't available to them; think of the minimum wage worker whose taxes help send others to college while they're stuck trying to scrape by.

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"It creates corporate drones" There are plenty of ways of going to college without assuming a lifetime of debt. But no one is going to bring you a bunch of money. It's up to you to find it. See, you learned something from college before you even matriculated. "What it teaches is out of date by the time students graduate" In Current Events class, maybe. In classics, sciences, history, etc., etc., etc., hardly. "It doe…

"There are plenty of ways of going to college without assuming a lifetime of debt. But no one is going to bring you a bunch of money. It's up to you to find it."

I am, currently, going to college. I have quite a bit of debt ($8K) and expect to get about double that by the time I'm finished. If you can show me a way to pay for college without debt, and I actually get the money, I will pay you $25 for every $100 I receive. So, if you can show me a way to get $200,000 for college (which I would have to come up with, somehow, if I weren't fortunate enough to get some scholarship money), you would get $50,000. If you can show me a way to get $20,000 to pay off my current and future debt, you'll get $5,000.

I can predict in advance, with fairly high probability (although I would obviously be delighted to be proven wrong), that you won't be able to come up with any way for me to get that sort of money, even given that you probably have more experience than I do, and even given an immediate large financial incentive. The reason why is obvious: $200,000, or even $20,000, is a crapton of money, especially when you're young, have no to little experience and are working hard as a full-time student. Most adults- people who have had full-time jobs for ten or twenty or thirty years- pay for items that cost that much on credit, because they can't afford it otherwise, even though they get socked with finance charges when they borrow.

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