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NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide

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This degrades into comic book villain territory. Every admin and developer professional wet dream is to be able to capture log and analyze every byte. To have unlimited processing power and storage. And these people lived it ...

> And these people lived it ...

And, as it turns out, it's completely useless.

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#142
Larry Page should step down as CEO.

It would never happen, as Google shares would drop like a bomb and give credence to the argument that the cloud isn't secure enough, but at least it would show that someone at Google cares.

It would create a landmark moment though; something that would spark more debate in both the media and with American politicians.

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post #28

Can anyone explain what exactly is meant by "SSL added and removed here! :-)"?

The implication is that there is no SSL from the front end web server to the back end data center, thus it is susceptible to snooping at that point.

Yes. It would be considered a private datacenter environment. Someone with DC access or in this case the ability to tap a closed fiber network can still attack it. This mostly applies to state actors.

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It's hard not to come to the conclusion that these activities were essentially criminal. I don't see how the administration can fail to disavow them, investigate them fully, and hold their instigators accountable. It feels like Special Prosecutor time. That aside, let me re-make a point I keep making: Google had no knowledge of NSA's physical compromise of their data centers. But still, they pushed harder than anyone…

> It's hard not to come to the conclusion that these activities were essentially criminal. I don't see how the administration can fail to disavow them, investigate them fully, and hold their instigators accountable. It feels like Special Prosecutor time. The government takes the position that their agents are almost completely unconstrained by law when it comes to actions taken abroad aimed at non-US persons. Even we…

> actions taken abroad aimed at non-US persons.

Aren't Google and Yahoo US persons?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood#Corporatio...

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It's hard not to come to the conclusion that these activities were essentially criminal. I don't see how the administration can fail to disavow them, investigate them fully, and hold their instigators accountable. It feels like Special Prosecutor time. That aside, let me re-make a point I keep making: Google had no knowledge of NSA's physical compromise of their data centers. But still, they pushed harder than anyone…

It's far beyond special investigator time. Obama should be impeached. Both Obama and Bush should be tried for criminal conduct. Both should be put in prison for decades for treason. Of course on top of that are the war crimes and general crimes against humanity both committed (torture, war, murder of thousands of civilians, and so on).

Can you lay out the charges, special prosecutor?

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post #2

It's hard not to come to the conclusion that these activities were essentially criminal. I don't see how the administration can fail to disavow them, investigate them fully, and hold their instigators accountable. It feels like Special Prosecutor time. That aside, let me re-make a point I keep making: Google had no knowledge of NSA's physical compromise of their data centers. But still, they pushed harder than anyone…

In light of the criticisms leveled against these strategies in from 2002 - 2004 its difficult for intelligence policy makers to argue the risks were unknown. The indifference to risk, public opinion and constitutional issues is jaw dropping.

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post #5

Is that an official document with an actual smiley face? What ever happened to the admins / programmers standing up for what is right, or do they just gobble down a paycheck and turn the other way?

It's not just that either. They seem to enjoy it and think that this is a game. If you're going to violate our basic rights, at least take it seriously, guys.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a coping mechanism.

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#148

Why didn't they release these documents a long time ago when everyone was racing to judgement that Google, Yahoo, et al were secretly in cahoots with the NSA helping to build drag-net surveillance extranet stuff for them? These are very important revelations! I mean, when Greenwald/Snowden/Guardian released the original PRISM accusations, these slides would have provided a much much more important set of evidence, in…

People are probably missing the idea. In the past, like with the WikiLeaks cables, they released all at once and it didn't have that much effect, after one week most countries were already on some other matter. The slow dripping allows this case to continue being discussed after six months. Can't remember this ever happening before with any other subject like the fake article on Saddam's WMD, the CIA flights and torture cases, etc.

Given what we currently know about the human mind and how people react to news I expect this to be the future way of releasing highly critical information.

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Why didn't they release these documents a long time ago when everyone was racing to judgement that Google, Yahoo, et al were secretly in cahoots with the NSA helping to build drag-net surveillance extranet stuff for them? These are very important revelations! I mean, when Greenwald/Snowden/Guardian released the original PRISM accusations, these slides would have provided a much much more important set of evidence, in…

It sure looks like it could be strategic.

The "taps foreign heads of state" et. al. really due blood, e.g. DiFi shocked the intelligence community for doing a public about face.

Presumably because monitoring us proles is just fine with her, but other members of the international elite? That's beyond the pale, and I don't assume her call for a "top-to-bottom review of U.S. spy programs" is to do anything more than find out other such elite embarrassments.

BUT, to the extent the above is not true, or is making this Total Surveillance State toxic, now's a good time to drop this tidbit.

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Why didn't they release these documents a long time ago when everyone was racing to judgement that Google, Yahoo, et al were secretly in cahoots with the NSA helping to build drag-net surveillance extranet stuff for them? These are very important revelations! I mean, when Greenwald/Snowden/Guardian released the original PRISM accusations, these slides would have provided a much much more important set of evidence, in…

By releasing the documents in this order, they give government officials just enough rope to hang themselves by prompting them to defend themselves by making statements about what they do and do not do, and then releasing new documents directly contradicting those statements.

In a weird way, it actually motivates them to tell the "whole truth" because they don't know what documents will be released later so they don't know what lies to tell.

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