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Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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Or you can help yourself with your foot, like Jason D. Williams occasionally does.

That's called an Organ Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQWm4H-zBU&noredirect=1

Original video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16oaGSltUPE

(thought she deserved the credit!)

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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post #36

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Pianos don't have souls, either. Maybe I'd understand your complaint if it was about computer composition of music, but this is just using the computer as an instrument. Would you say flute players can't play music "with soul" because they aren't directly whistling the noises? Why not? How is that qualitatively different from using a computer to play your composition?

Handmade Pianos have souls. The soul of the technician that built it. This is why the best Pianos like Bösendorfer and Steinways are still built manually.

That sounds kind of esoteric / superstitious to me. Has this been blind tested? Anyway... computer music has the soul of the people selecting the samples and the parameters for instrument synthesis, and choosing when and how to play them. That's why all that is done manually. Heck, on the C64 (probably not just there) it wasn't unusual for composers to write their own composing software and playback routines.

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

#43

As a pianist and an electronic musician, I never have any qualms about making music I can't play. This, however, is just ridiculous. The thing is, it's not at all hard to write a piano piece that's unplayable. Simply add a third note group far enough above or below the existing two note groups and it will be physically impossible to play (unless someone else helps you). It doesn't need to be a grotesque fountain of m…

I found the result to be a rather monotonous sameyness. The sound of "all the piano keys being smashed" overwhelms everything else about the piece, and the end result is that for all the apparent energy, the end result is really quite boring.

Contrasted to its acoustic opposite, chip-tune minimalism, and I'll take chip-tune anyday, even in its "pure" form (limited polyphony, no postprocessing, etc, just as you would have found it back in the day).

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

#44

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Ever played Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C# minor? 4 well separated simultaneous note groups in a couple of places. That makes it theoretically impossible to play...

Igudesman & Joo have their own way of playing stuff like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w

This had me in tears of laughter. What a genius.

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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As a pianist and an electronic musician, I never have any qualms about making music I can't play. This, however, is just ridiculous. The thing is, it's not at all hard to write a piano piece that's unplayable. Simply add a third note group far enough above or below the existing two note groups and it will be physically impossible to play (unless someone else helps you). It doesn't need to be a grotesque fountain of m…

I don't see why this is ridiculous. I don't think that physical playability/unplayability is the key feature here. What does it really mean to be "unplayable" anyway? When you play piano, is it your body that generates the sound, or are you manipulating a machine that generates it for you? There's a delay between notating a MIDI file and hearing the resulting sound, but the same goes for the time between your finger hitting the key and the hammers hitting the string. I'm not saying there isn't a distinction between live performance and pre-production, but I think we're better off looking at playability as a spectrum than a binary value.

We could critique the medium, but people have abused instruments and sound makers for generations. Look up prepared piano [1], glitch music [2], and the wide world of guitar effects. This is just another way exploring the possibilities of a given medium (MIDI, in this case).

Theoretically, we could generate all possible music just by adding together sine waves, but realistically, most music is only accessible by using far more limited mechanisms, like instruments, gadgets, and paradigmatic software, which in turn influence the creative process. A person is definitely free to critique the artistic merits of a given piece, but I think it's rather close-minded to critique an entire medium. Most of the styles of music we listen to were (or still are) considered cheating by adherents to some other style.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prepared_piano [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitch_%28music%29

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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I would definitely recommend checking out Conlon Nancarrow as well, who was mentioned at the start of the article. A lot of his stuff is somewhat abstract, and sometimes his rhythmic patterns are really too odd to be heard (e.g. 7:17:27). But then he also has pieces like Study #3a, which is just a bluesy boogie-woogie that just builds. (I would love to actually be in the physical presence of a piano playing that piece; it would be like it was possessed.)

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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post #33

The way I see this is another form of additive synthesis, with poor (technical) sound quality and less control/expressiveness¹. I'd guess a lot of music would appear "black" if represented as MIDI sequence for a pure sine-wave synthesizer. [1] not to disparage it too much as an artform. Art forms from what the artist able to with the medium of choice, and the choice of medium does not it make it automatically better…

>MIDI sequence for a pure sine-wave synthesizer

Interestingly, we do have this, and it is a crucial component of lossy audio compression techniques such as MP3 - it's the Fourier transform. Essentially you can convert any audio signal into sine intensity per frequency over time, and vice versa. The space-time resolution is somewhat adjustable, so quicker reaction time can be obtained at the expense of squishing nearby frequencies together. I would not describe a lot of music that I have observed as spectrograms as being "black," in fact there are visible patterns that correspond with the harmonics of the sounds being played.

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Handmade Pianos have souls. The soul of the technician that built it. This is why the best Pianos like Bösendorfer and Steinways are still built manually.

That sounds kind of esoteric / superstitious to me. Has this been blind tested? Anyway... computer music has the soul of the people selecting the samples and the parameters for instrument synthesis, and choosing when and how to play them. That's why all that is done manually. Heck, on the C64 (probably not just there) it wasn't unusual for composers to write their own composing software and playback routines.

In the C64 days I programmed my TI99/4A to play Bach. It sounded awful. The interpretation had no soul.

Soul is not blind testable, like art, because it comes from the heart, not the brain.

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever played Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C# minor? 4 well separated simultaneous note groups in a couple of places. That makes it theoretically impossible to play...

I'm assuming that since you bring up Rachmaninoff, you know that he reportedly had freakishly large hands, and was in the habit of writing things he could play, but others considered "impossible". To me, that's significantly different than black MIDI, which just seems silly, albeit vaguely amusing.

I'm actually only referring to a couple of places in Prelude in C# minor. Most of the song is "almost impossible" for one reason or another, but there are a couple of places near the end where the lower octaves and the upper freakish chords are played simultaneously. The 9th and 11th measure from the end, to be precise. Even Rachmaninoff with his freak hands had to roll that.
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