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The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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As a pianist I do not understand the purpose of music that is not playable by humans. In my understanding music is a communication method between human souls. A computer has no soul, likewise Black MIDI "music".

Pianos don't have souls, either.

Maybe I'd understand your complaint if it was about computer composition of music, but this is just using the computer as an instrument. Would you say flute players can't play music "with soul" because they aren't directly whistling the noises? Why not? How is that qualitatively different from using a computer to play your composition?

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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Well, it is definitely interesting.

But in this form, I really see no value.

I'm only hearing noise in those videos, the noise from the switching on of the note (that slight 'tack')

The synthesisers apparently can't handle that amount of notes without some artefacts.

And see, they're only adding huge amounts of notes, but no pitch shift and no volume control (apparently)

This could be interesting with different (softer) instruments, better synthesisers focused on more notes and more "playfullness" rather than just hammering notes

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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As a pianist I do not understand the purpose of music that is not playable by humans. In my understanding music is a communication method between human souls. A computer has no soul, likewise Black MIDI "music".

I don't get that mindset at all. A lot of the music I listen to is music that is not playable on an analogue instruments without severely butchering it.

Ranging from 8-bit chip tunes to much more complex electronic music.

Why does that affect the level of communication? To me, the only thing that is different vs a song is that for electronic music the communication is mostly from the composer. But I find that to be the case for most instrumental music, including classical music - a performer that adds so much "personality" to the piece that I notice will generally annoy me.

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As a pianist I do not understand the purpose of music that is not playable by humans. In my understanding music is a communication method between human souls. A computer has no soul, likewise Black MIDI "music".

I'm pretty certain I don't have a soul, either.

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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As a pianist I do not understand the purpose of music that is not playable by humans. In my understanding music is a communication method between human souls. A computer has no soul, likewise Black MIDI "music".

When you say "playable by humans," what do you mean?

If you mean "physically capable of being played by a human" then I'd say that a large majority of popular music right now is unplayable by humans, simply due to the sheer amount of digital production that goes into them. Many genres of electronic music fit in this category, but while being "unplayable," all clearly have an author (the composer/producer) and an intent (no matter how shallow or profound).

But if you meant "playable by humans" on a subtler level, I then ask:

Is music coming from a radio playable by humans? Is music written on a sheet playable by humans? Both lack an immediate human operator that is "playing" them, yet despite this difference of media, both are valid forms of music that clearly communicate the intent of a human soul (the former through the radio device, the latter through symbols).

I'd argue that using the computer/algorithm used to generate the black MIDI is an instrument like any other. Maybe you were asking something more along the lines of: how valuable is music that is generated arbitrarily or randomly by a computer algorithm, and does it contain "soul" like music produced explicitly by humans? That is a philosophical question about the nature of art and computational creativity, perhaps without an answer.

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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As a pianist I do not understand the purpose of music that is not playable by humans. In my understanding music is a communication method between human souls. A computer has no soul, likewise Black MIDI "music".

As an internet commenter I do not understand the purpose of Wifi signals that are not visible to humans. In my understanding discussion is a communication method between human souls. A computer has no soul, likewise Internet "comments".

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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As a pianist I do not understand the purpose of music that is not playable by humans. In my understanding music is a communication method between human souls. A computer has no soul, likewise Black MIDI "music".

this is like saying books must be spoken aloud, never written down.

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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As a pianist and an electronic musician, I never have any qualms about making music I can't play. This, however, is just ridiculous. The thing is, it's not at all hard to write a piano piece that's unplayable. Simply add a third note group far enough above or below the existing two note groups and it will be physically impossible to play (unless someone else helps you). It doesn't need to be a grotesque fountain of m…

Ever played Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C# minor? 4 well separated simultaneous note groups in a couple of places. That makes it theoretically impossible to play...

Re: The Impossible Music of Black MIDI

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People have been doing this kind of thing with trackers for some time.

Here's Vache by Venetian Snares, from 2006: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2f5gOo1VEM

And here's a webcam video of the sequencer data scrolling past: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGK-EzEa45U

The techniques are much older. Here's a screengrab of the OctaMed tracker running on an amiga, playing back the original drum tracks from Aphrodite's jungle classic Beats Booyaa from 1994: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkVSe9DubE8

And here's the whole of Beats Booya to hear it in context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vts6rqJHMK8

Real producers chop their beats in hex ;)

EDIT: also, most music software includes something called an arpeggiator, into which you play chords, which it breaks up into little sequences of notes according to different parameters. Set the interval down to 20ms or so and you've got your black midi :)

That's also how you get those distinctive chord-like sounds out of monophonic soundchips in oldschool video games.

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