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The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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Re: The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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I think 'ramen profitable' is a great pithy phrase, but to work long hours effectively (and stay healthy) it always struck me as a false economy to live on rice & beans. Good to see some data on the topic.

I can't figure out if you're saying your expectations were confirmed or undermined. I don't know much about nutrition, but I was under the impression that noodles, rice, and beans are all high in starch, which the body turns into significant amounts of glucose in a healthy way (sustained blood glucose over time, instead of short spikes like with simple sugars). I'm sure surviving on Ramen is bad for you, but as far a…

Replying to several others here, including this one. (Short version: use fat and starchy/tuberous food to have sustainable/stable blood sugar levels).

There is no way to turn any carbohydrate into "significant amounts of glucose in a healthy way" unless you are talking about digestion or metabolism of fat.

One slice of "whole wheat" bread is worse for you than a teaspoon of sugar (Glycemic load versus Glycemic index), not to mention the wheat germ agglutinin and other insulin/hormone mimetics that come with the bread, nor the gut-tearing action of insoluble fiber.

Glycogen is touted as being your energy source, but it is not. How long can your muscles function on stored glycogen? Do you think humans would have survived (on an evolutionary timescale) if they'd had to eat pasta every 6 hours?

In any case, any carbohydrate/starch is converted to a fatty substance, stored subcutaneously and used as fuel in lean times (even rabbits and cows do this via rumen fermentation). If you keep eating carbohydrates, you turn on the "storage-mode" and accumulate fat. Repeated turning on of storage mode robs your body of insulin-sensitivity. You become a non-symptomatic diabetic (if you're lucky you'll skip Type 2 diabetes and go straight to Type 3 -- a.k.a. Alzheimer's disease).

Lastly, your body can easily convert (with hardly any usage of vitamins and other trace elements) fat into glucose (this process is done by the liver and is called gluconeogenesis). In contrast, digesting/utilizing carbohydrate has a high requirement in terms of vitamins etc., and even if it didn't, eating wheat blocks the absorption of most of these elements (especially zinc, vitamin C and calcium).

Your liver does gluconeogenesis because a very few organs in your body (primarily some regions of the brain) need glucose to function. The rest work just fine on free fatty acids in your blood (aka lipids/cholesterol/ketones). In contrast, sugar causes a rise in triglycerides, which are the molecules used to transport sugar.

While I don't have references right now, most of this can be found substantiated on pubmed/medline. An easily digestible summary can be found at http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com

And a disclaimer: a year ago I would have thought all this very kooky. It is not. I think the news.yc folk can "handle the truth", as it were, and so I've written this comment. I hope it helps someone. If you're of an experimentalist bent, you can try it for yourself, it takes less than 2 weeks to adapt.

Yesterday I was on a 24-hour intermittent fast (I didn't expect it to get so long, I just wasn't hungry) and I was programming no worse at the end of it ;-) in fact, I'd say that free of sugar-highs I now program much better and can concentrate more consistently. That implies more self-control, does it not? YMMV.

Re: The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noodles and rice are pretty "spikey", beans are better though.

I always thought the long-term blood glucose levels were the reason that runners traditionally have a spaghetti dinner the night before a big race. Am I confused, or is there just bad science behind this practice?

Bad science, I'm afraid. Or rather, junk science, since science itself is simply unbiased experimentation and hypthosesis-testing.

In the absence of carbo-loading there is no lactic acid "wall" and hence no sainted feeling. Perhaps that's why the runners magazines don't talk about it ;-)

What did all those kenyan runners eat for fifteen years before blowing past their fellow marathoners? Did they drink beer and carbo-load on pasta the night before?

In other news, running barefoot is better than trainers, omega-6 fats are more susceptible to free-radical damage than lard, essential fatty acids doesn't mean what you think, nor does "omnivore", margarine and omega-3 butter spreads kill, &c. &c.

Oh, and tinny, tinny, Tinny, TINNY.

Re: The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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There used to be a scheme in towns in the UK whereby police would hand out lollipops to people leaving clubs. Many clubs kick out at the same time (2am), mixing large numbers of drunken people in a small area. Drinking means blood sugar levels drop, which means people get hungry and competitive, and the end result is more often than not a large and violent brawl in the nearest kebab shop. The reasons given for the lo…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/nov/28/police-binge-d... From Rule Brittania to risible nanny-state, a sorry 77 years.

Perhaps by giving people flip-flops it may have saved money overall - less stitching up feet or fixing broken ankles?

On top of that, that's a Tax Payers Alliance article. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

Re: The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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This doesn't bode well for me trying to use self-control to kick my sugar habit.

You might try caffeine as a replacement for sugar. Some of my reading claims that part of the effect of caffeine is from its boosting blood sugar levels.

Somewhere I read that around the beginning of last century they used to prescribe heroin to get people off morphin addiction. Sure it works, but it defeats the purpose.

Caffeine has most averse effects of sugar, plus increased rebound effect, tolerance, and addiction.

Also, if you had a sugar crave to start with, caffeine will only augment it.

I suggest first introducing high fiber foods in your diet (mainly vegetables), and start using fruit to get your sugar fixes. Fiber will help stabilize your sugar levels, taking you out of the glucose roller coaster and the insulin/glucose vicious cycle. Then it will be easier to gradually reduce your intake of sweets.

I've read Chromium supplements help with this stabilization, but I've tried it and I couldn't tell for sure.

Re: The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't figure out if you're saying your expectations were confirmed or undermined. I don't know much about nutrition, but I was under the impression that noodles, rice, and beans are all high in starch, which the body turns into significant amounts of glucose in a healthy way (sustained blood glucose over time, instead of short spikes like with simple sugars). I'm sure surviving on Ramen is bad for you, but as far a…

Replying to several others here, including this one. (Short version: use fat and starchy/tuberous food to have sustainable/stable blood sugar levels). There is no way to turn any carbohydrate into "significant amounts of glucose in a healthy way" unless you are talking about digestion or metabolism of fat. One slice of "whole wheat" bread is worse for you than a teaspoon of sugar (Glycemic load versus Glycemic index)…

You sound down on carbohydrate-heavy diets--So, is your recommendation an isocaloric diet, a ketogenic diet, or eating only when you actually feel hungry, and only enough to assuage the hunger?

Re: The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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I'm a type 1 diabetic. My when my glueclose levels are low from taking too much insulin and/or not eating enough I can certainly feel the effects in not being able to concentrate, being iritable, and often confused.

But when my blood gluclose levels are elevated it does not necessarily mean there is an abundance of sugar to serve as fuel for my mind. It just means I have eaten too much food for my injected insulin to counteract. My body will not automatically respond by producing more insulin and a subsequent dip in blood sugar. If I do nothing, my blood sugars will stay higher than is healthy for the rest of my bodily functions but as far as self control is concerned my blood gluclose will stay in a range that is constantly providing enough fuel for optimal self control.

From the perspective of self control, I can have higher blood gluclose levels without the negative lash-back normal insulin producing people get when their bodies react by producing more insulin. So... In this case... Being diabetic is an advantage?

I'm just trying to find a silver lining.

Re: The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/nov/28/police-binge-d... From Rule Brittania to risible nanny-state, a sorry 77 years.

Perhaps by giving people flip-flops it may have saved money overall - less stitching up feet or fixing broken ankles? On top of that, that's a Tax Payers Alliance article. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

Well I didn't know the provenance of the writers, but I'd consider the lollipop article mention as some form of corroboration.

I don't care if it saves a thousand drunk/not-drunk women or Eddie Izzard breaking their ankles, it simply is not the job of the police. I much prefer the way things are done in the States, for example in Des Moines, Iowa there's the party bus that takes pub-goers bar-hopping. It's not a cop-initiative.

Oh, hang on, I do care about Eddie Izzard after all!

Re: The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Replying to several others here, including this one. (Short version: use fat and starchy/tuberous food to have sustainable/stable blood sugar levels). There is no way to turn any carbohydrate into "significant amounts of glucose in a healthy way" unless you are talking about digestion or metabolism of fat. One slice of "whole wheat" bread is worse for you than a teaspoon of sugar (Glycemic load versus Glycemic index)…

You sound down on carbohydrate-heavy diets--So, is your recommendation an isocaloric diet, a ketogenic diet, or eating only when you actually feel hungry, and only enough to assuage the hunger?

>You sound down on carbohydrate-heavy diets--

Carb-diets are not bad per se. Western ones certainly are, as evidenced by Dr. Weston Price, Vilhjalmur Stefansson &c. In my own experience, daily arizona green teas and mochas add up, and are loaded with sugar. So is food at every restaurant, from Denny's to the poshest, including steak.

>So, is your recommendation an isocaloric diet, a ketogenic diet, or eating only when you actually feel hungry, and only enough to assuage the hunger?

Others are better qualified to make recommendations: Dr. Eades and Stephan at wholehealthsource.

My protocol: no omega-6, eat 1/day within 5 hour period, eat if hungry, eat till full, overeat if I feel like it [0]. No wheat at all[1], limit sugar to once/wk.

I est. 1.5-2.5 kcal/meal, but because of tabata/kettle-bells etc. my calorie needs are quite a bit higher, so I'll punt and call it iso-caloric.

It is ketogenic, only because I prefer to eat coppa, proscuitto, butter, cream, yogurt, eggs and cheese, rather than spend time to bake sourdough, soak oats etc. Sugar (honey) and carbs (mostly sauerkraut) 1/wk.

I started intermittent fasting based on an article by Dr. Eades, and stuck with it only because it was really easy to do, and lets me program pretty much from 7am to 8pm (a single meal saves time as well as assoc. post-prandial sleepiness). Also Frederick Burnham-Russell[2] is a big hero of mine, and he IF-ed his way through awesomeness.

Other than the above, I don't consider it a diet in the "dieter" sense at all, although it is very Banting[3].

[0] cannot overeat butter! olive oil is allowed, and severely limited EFAs (omega 3-6-9) due to http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=978140...

[1] imho, all wheat-eaters have non-symptomatic celiac disease, and budding diabetes. I used to.

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Russell_Burnham

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Banting

Re: The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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I'm a type 1 diabetic. My when my glueclose levels are low from taking too much insulin and/or not eating enough I can certainly feel the effects in not being able to concentrate, being iritable, and often confused. But when my blood gluclose levels are elevated it does not necessarily mean there is an abundance of sugar to serve as fuel for my mind. It just means I have eaten too much food for my injected insulin to…

> So... In this case... Being diabetic is an advantage?

I take it this is a rhetorical question?

Out of interest, have you measured your HbA1c lately? Care to share it?

You aren't Polish, are you? I am interested in making an ancestry-map of diabetes-sufferers.

Re: The Physiology of Willpower: Linking Blood Glucose to Self-Control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought the long-term blood glucose levels were the reason that runners traditionally have a spaghetti dinner the night before a big race. Am I confused, or is there just bad science behind this practice?

Bad science, I'm afraid. Or rather, junk science, since science itself is simply unbiased experimentation and hypthosesis-testing. In the absence of carbo-loading there is no lactic acid "wall" and hence no sainted feeling. Perhaps that's why the runners magazines don't talk about it ;-) What did all those kenyan runners eat for fifteen years before blowing past their fellow marathoners? Did they drink beer and carbo…

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