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Re: Here's how I deal with users who steal

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Post by wahsd »

nostromo wrote: post #8

Interesting that the "scholarship" (free) plan isn't mentioned on the homepage. It seems you have to try and steal the product before being offered the free plan. I also like the subtle dig, "if you can't afford it." I've certainly pirated things myself. If iTunes asked me, "We noticed you've pirated The Walking Dead. If you can't afford $3, click here to get it for free." By reframing it as charity I might be shamed…

I think I would have laid on the guilt a little more. Something along the lines of...

"Hi, buddy! We noticed that you created five dummy accounts in order to get access to our referral reward. Thank you for your interest. If $1.66 per month or $0.05 is too much money for you to afford at the moment and it would prevent you from having a roof over your head and feeding yourself but would still like to sell your music and make a living in pursuing your dreams of being paid for your art and work, then you should check out our scholarship account. We believe in our community and are you are a good person that would not like it if people didn't pay you for your work so we are confident you wouldn't do the same to us."

Or is that too much?

Re: Here's how I deal with users who steal

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Post by JulianMiller520 »

Interesting that the default mode for so many people on hacker news is judgement. I'm here to learn so thank you for sharing your approach. I find it a refreshing way to engage users who are using the resources either way. Would love to hear more about it's impact over time.

Re: Here's how I deal with users who steal

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Post by egypturnash »

jasallen wrote: post #183
tedks wrote: post #175

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It depends on the video game or the porn in question. A Bible is going to prime for social/moral thoughts and feelings in a very significant way. For a religious person I doubt there's anything that could make attitudes about morality more accessible, and accessibility is almost the whole story for behavior. I think if a video game loading screen told you "Piracy is WRONG!" it would be ineffective in GTA, neutral in…

"political feminist porn". That's a thing???

Ladies like to watch sexy people having sexy times in ways that fit into their value systems, too.

Re: Here's how I deal with users who steal

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Post by gmjosack »

wahsd wrote: post #191
nostromo wrote: post #8

Interesting that the "scholarship" (free) plan isn't mentioned on the homepage. It seems you have to try and steal the product before being offered the free plan. I also like the subtle dig, "if you can't afford it." I've certainly pirated things myself. If iTunes asked me, "We noticed you've pirated The Walking Dead. If you can't afford $3, click here to get it for free." By reframing it as charity I might be shamed…

I think I would have laid on the guilt a little more. Something along the lines of... "Hi, buddy! We noticed that you created five dummy accounts in order to get access to our referral reward. Thank you for your interest. If $1.66 per month or $0.05 is too much money for you to afford at the moment and it would prevent you from having a roof over your head and feeding yourself but would still like to sell your music…

I wouldn't even read that much text in this situation.

Re: Here's how I deal with users who steal

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Post by nicolethenerd »

nfoz wrote: post #181
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #180

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Shame on you for judging. This was their business model. The software didn't exist; open source didn't create it. Wrong or not, there they were, like millions before them, creating value and wanting to be paid for it. I know you are trolling, but you made it a moral issue not me.

I'm not trolling, it is a harmful business model that antagonizes their users. We will disagree, and that's fine.

You disagree with people creating value and selling it for money? Genuinely curious, what is immoral about that?

Re: Here's how I deal with users who steal

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Post by QuiteMouse »

ye wrote: post #145
fijal wrote: post #127

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I for one would like to see a study that shows that people who read bible are more moral than people who don't read bible (or people who play video games). In my anecdotal evidence, there is no real correlation, but hey, science.

The evidence is actually to the contrary. The incarceration rates of atheists vs christians in the US are quite telling.

You don't want to be an outlier in the prison system. If you're not on board with everyone else, there is a real possibility that you're going to get hurt. I think this is part of the reason Atheists are so underrepresented in the prison population. Simple self-preservation.

Re: Here's how I deal with users who steal

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Post by Fargren »

rmc wrote: post #173
mcherm wrote: post #164

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> Is telling a gay person "Homosexuality is wrong" moral or immoral? Maybe. Because it is a question on which significant numbers of people differ, it would be a poor choice for such a study. > Is admitting that "Mohammed is the final messanger [sic] of God" moral or immoral? No. > Is calling the Pope God's representative on earth moral or immoral? No. > Is calling Jesus devine [sic] moral or immoral? No. > Until you…

> Not every action is moral or immoral True, but there are some actions which some people think are moral, and some think are immoral. The religious questions I gave are like that. People disagree about whether an action is moral or immoral. Some Christians will think that it's moral and right and good to call Jesus divine (and a sin and immoral to claim the opposite), whereas some (say) Muslims will think that it's…

Asumming that a subset of moral questions have black an white answers (or nearly), couldn't the study just look only at those questions?

Re: Here's how I deal with users who steal

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Post by itsybitsycoder »

nfoz wrote: post #177
ozh wrote: post #139

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I guess most users won't bother making it complicated to track down: same IP, cookies, session, whatever.

Does that mean I can't refer a family member?

How about 5 family members in the same household within a couple of hours?
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