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Argentina's Currency Black Market

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Re: Argentina's Currency Black Market

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post #55

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Fellow Venezuelan here (although living outside of the country right now) I have hard times explaining to people how the economy works over there. Most people overestimate how harmful is a regime under foreign currency exchange control. But some metrics like the big mac index ( http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index ) can give a rough idea of what is happening.

The distortions these kind of controls generate cannot be explained to someone who lives in a normal economy. Here in Venezuela, it's much better to go in to debt (get loans to buy stuff like refrigerators, TVs, etc) than to use any unexpected or larger than usual income to pay off your debts because of the high inflation rate. Only in Venezuela can a car cost more the minute you drive it out of the dealerships (if y…

>"Here in Venezuela, it's much better to go in to debt (get loans to buy stuff like refrigerators, TVs, etc)"

That is pretty much true in most countries but for different reasons. Over there, inflation rate is usually higher than the controlled interest rates. On the other hand, in other countries stores give you cheap loans to impulse sales.

In any case I am agreed with you that you have to spent some time over there to understand the distortion of a economy with a high inflation. Also you would understand how easy is for a government to manipulate economic metrics and give a different impression from outside the country.

Re: Argentina's Currency Black Market

#62
post #35

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No, the problem is structural: bad routes, no security, no mobile infrastructure, no energy (I am not talking about potential energy), bad education, bad transport of goods between cities. And I am not talking about corruption yet... you can bribe anybody in a direct way with witnesses around. You can say that Argentina has all the ingredients to be a first world country but it is just a hope to be at that point. For…

The self-infliction is electing politicians like Kirchner who don't try to spend time and effort improving their infrastructure and stability and attracting investment to build new things. Instead, they prefer to borrow money to deliver handouts to the populace, then when they can't repay the money, default on their debts and take over the local operations of foreign firms. (This is before we even get into the suppre…

I do believe that the fact that give "handouts" only to people whose kids attend school (which really matters because there was a lot of child labor when they started) shows they are at least trying to address some of the problems. I think they did a lot of things wrong, and there's a lot of things missing, but calling them out in what I see as one of their most effective policies seems wrong. The contradiction between protectionist policies and search for investment, the alliance with groups opposed to the improvement of infrastructure, the blatant corruption and the stuff wslh mentioned seem more accurate to me.

Re: Argentina's Currency Black Market

#63
post #11

All self-inflicted wounds. Argentinians could have a stable currency and a thriving, functional economy - there's nothing structural that's stopping them. But they choose not to, and have been making this choice for they last 100 years or so. It's a true pity.

You know, 100 years ago, there was a saying "as rich as an Argentine", like we might say "as rich as a sheik" today. By any reasonable means, they should be enjoying wealth on a par with any First World country. Corruption killed it stone dead, and judging by their current government, the people never learn. We went to war to save them from Fascism (and, umm, to liberate our islands), they had a chance to start over with a clean slate, but that has been squandered now.

Re: Argentina's Currency Black Market

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Yes, in Argentina we have different dollar/peso parities, the most popular are "Dólar blue" $9,93 per dollar. "Dólar tarjeta" (Credit card, +20% over official exchange rate) 5.89*1,20=$7,068 per dollar. "Conta con Liqui" (local stock market and Wall Street arbitrage) $9,35 per dollar.

Re: Argentina's Currency Black Market

#65
post #37

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The disinformation in this one is strong. It's not illegal nor hard to get money from ATMs.

Yes, sorry. Internationally you can not take out money from the ATMs.

You can. In limiting countries you have a ridiculously low limit, and in further countries it's a bit higher. I was able to withdraw about €850 in Europe two weeks ago.

Re: Argentina's Currency Black Market

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post #43
post #35

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No, the problem is structural: bad routes, no security, no mobile infrastructure, no energy (I am not talking about potential energy), bad education, bad transport of goods between cities. And I am not talking about corruption yet... you can bribe anybody in a direct way with witnesses around. You can say that Argentina has all the ingredients to be a first world country but it is just a hope to be at that point. For…

I would love to know who is downvoting a comment based on facts.

Maybe some pro-gov guys. They do it everywhere.

Re: Argentina's Currency Black Market

#68
post #5

I've been living in Buenos Aires for over 4 years now. The secret for infinite money basically is selling Bitcoins to USD and then selling the USD to Ar$ Pesos. Right now 1 USD = 10.10 Ar Pesos. Here are some references: 1 Bus ticket from 1.50 to 3 Pesos. 1 Bic Mac about 45 pesos. 1 Coca Cola 8 or 9 pesos. 1 Dinner in a medium to fancy restaurant 150 pesos (200+ if you drink wine). If any hacker is in town, let me kn…

How is this getting infinite money? There must be some loop here, but I don't see what it is.

If you did BTC -> USD -> Pesos -> BTC and so on, you'd have to get a good price for Pesos -> BTC, and that would hugely surprise me.

But yeah, I'd be totally willing to go on a vacation to Argentina if there's a good way to make money.

Re: Argentina's Currency Black Market

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post #41
post #13

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How do you get the $ to buy bit coins? I've been thinking about doing that in Venezuela but we only get $400 per year for online purchases.

Possibly ignorant American here. You have a limit on what you are allowed to spend on online purchases? How is it enforced and by whom?

I was working (and living) in Rio once when a Venezuelan came in asking about doing some sort of side deal in order to "buy" what we were offering. It was very long-winded but the gist is that he could only take out a very small amount from the ATM (a month?) and so he was looking for someone to do business with him another way. It took a while to get what he was saying because I just didn't trust that what he was saying was true. Anyways, it was my bosses call and the guy had to look elsewhere.

Re: Argentina's Currency Black Market

#70
post #23

Argentina's currency black market is just an acknowledgement of the actual price of the Peso that countries in the border have. You can LEGALLY exchange 1 US dollar for about 10 ARS in Uruguay http://www.bcu.gub.uy/Paginas/Default.aspx

That causes a constant stream of Argentineans crossing the border. It's extremely profitable on both sides.

It's caused a major disruption of commerce here in Uruguay, lots of people go to Buenos Aires to buy stuff (mostly clothing, etc).

My girlfriend studies in Buenos Aires because it's cheaper to take the ferry and pay courses in Argentinean pesos than to pay the course in Uruguay ! (plus, Buenos Aires is a much larger city and has a better selection).

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