Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released

#1

Post by chorny » Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 11:24 AM UTC

Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released
parrot.org

Re: Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released

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Post by GeneralMaximus » Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 5:14 PM UTC

I am waiting for the day when these guys say, "Okay, we're done. Now go write some Perl 6 and run it on our VM".

Re: Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released

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Post by kingkongrevenge » Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 5:18 PM UTC

GeneralMaximus wrote: post #2

I am waiting for the day when these guys say, "Okay, we're done. Now go write some Perl 6 and run it on our VM".

That day was well back last year.

Re: Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released

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Post by geuis » Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 7:05 PM UTC

Can someone provide some examples of what Parrot is useful for? Maybe some everyday scenarios?

Re: Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released

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Post by chorny » Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 7:24 PM UTC

geuis wrote: post #4

Can someone provide some examples of what Parrot is useful for? Maybe some everyday scenarios?

See http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7373 for example

Re: Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released

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Post by johnnybgoode » Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 8:44 PM UTC

As I said at http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=656493, I don't see why the communities for other dynamic languages are still investing so much effort into building new VMs instead of collaborating on something like this.

Re: Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released

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Post by enomar » Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 10:45 PM UTC

johnnybgoode wrote: post #6

As I said at http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=656493 , I don't see why the communities for other dynamic languages are still investing so much effort into building new VMs instead of collaborating on something like this.

I too, really like the idea of a single VM for many languages. Having just watched the Google IO video on V8, I'm starting to think there are some serious advantages to specialized engines.

For example, V8 replaced the regular expression engine that Webkit was using with one that was specially designed to work with Javascript's regex syntax. Maybe you can get similar performance with a generalized engine, but I'm no longer of the mind that one VM for all languages will be the end-all-be-all solution.

http://code.google.com/events/io/sessions/V8BuildingHighPerf...

Re: Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released

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Post by johnnybgoode » Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 10:50 PM UTC

enomar wrote: post #7

johnnybgoode wrote: post #6

As I said at http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=656493 , I don't see why the communities for other dynamic languages are still investing so much effort into building new VMs instead of collaborating on something like this.

I too, really like the idea of a single VM for many languages. Having just watched the Google IO video on V8, I'm starting to think there are some serious advantages to specialized engines. For example, V8 replaced the regular expression engine that Webkit was using with one that was specially designed to work with Javascript's regex syntax. Maybe you can get similar performance with a generalized engine, but I'm no…

This guy seems to agree with you: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=662553 ;)

In the big picture I don't know if something like that matters as much as sharing a lot of advanced VM techniques.

Re: Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released

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Post by zokier » Thu, Jun 18, 2009, 2:51 AM UTC

Parrot is indeed interesting, kinda like .NET for more 'fun' languages, and of course with full FOSS spirit. But is Parrot currently actually usable for 'real' work? Is any language implemented extensively enough for normal day-to-day-scripting?

Re: Parrot VM v1.3.0 Released

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Post by stcredzero » Thu, Jun 18, 2009, 5:20 AM UTC

johnnybgoode wrote: post #8

enomar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I too, really like the idea of a single VM for many languages. Having just watched the Google IO video on V8, I'm starting to think there are some serious advantages to specialized engines. For example, V8 replaced the regular expression engine that Webkit was using with one that was specially designed to work with Javascript's regex syntax. Maybe you can get similar performance with a generalized engine, but I'm no…

This guy seems to agree with you: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=662553 ;) In the big picture I don't know if something like that matters as much as sharing a lot of advanced VM techniques.

If it just makes implementing languages with decent performance and good GC easier, then it has benefited us tremendously. If it can additionally free a language developer from the hurdle of "there's not that many libraries yet" then this is also a good thing.