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April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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Re: April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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I was among the naysayers. I first met Drew at pg's house just before Dropbox did YC. I listened as he explained Dropbox, and I immediately thought of a dozen reasons why it would be very difficult and probably fail (I'd recently worked on something very similar for a month or so just to figure out whether it was a direction I wanted to go with my own company, so had some familiarity with the scale of the problem...I…

And I'm an example of how you can be right and still wrong because you let "other plans" get in the way. I'm on that thread with my two cents: "I'm impressed."

However, Drew took me out to lunch about 10 months later. They'd just signed their Series A with Sequoia (although it wasn't public knowledge), and were looking to hire their first couple employees. Aston had just been hired the day before as employee #1; Drew was wondering if they could interest me in being employee #2.

At the time, I had my own startup that I was trying to get off the ground with a friend from college. I could tell Drew was wicked smart, and he was way more prepared and ready to bring a product to market than we were. But my immediate response was "I can't leave my cofounder, and I want to see where my startup ends up going." He was very understanding, and said "Yeah, if I were in your position - when I was in your position [DropBox is Drew's second company] - I wouldn't give it up either." I couldn't help thinking, as I walked away, that maybe I'd just passed up the best opportunity I'd get in my life. They filled their positions with a couple MIT grads later that day.

A couple years later, after I'd moved out to the Bay Area and was working for Google, I saw Aston at Maker Faire, and mentioned that maybe I'd made a mistake in passing on DropBox. He said, "Naw, you made the decision that was right for you." And in hindsight, I think that's correct. I had 3 dreams coming out of college: one was founding a startup, another was inventing a programming language, and a third was learning how Google Search works. This way, I got to try my hand at all 3 of them. And I'm not sure DropBox would've succeeded the way they have if they'd hired me: they got some kickass early programmers instead, and I had some growing up to do before I was really ready to start something big.

Re: April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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post #5

Internet archive link to the demo/screencast: https://web.archive.org/web/20070407145348/http://www.getdro...

And here is his YC application: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27532820/app.html You have to watch his Dropbox video and read his YC application to really appreciate how articulate, succinct and fluid Drew communicates.

Really awesome read, thanks for the link!

Re: April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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Sharp criticism from know-it-alls is often a sign that an idea is good. It's amazing to me how, even though this is common knowledge, good ideas continue to polarize. I'd hate for you guys to convince everyone to be so nice that we skew this long-trusted signal :)

Re: April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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I wonder how many people that initially thought/said that they wouldn't need/want/use Dropbox are actually using it now. Would be particularly interesting to know what reasons convinced people who didn't believe it would work to end up using it themselves. Particularly, would be cool to know if it was due to lack of understanding of the product, lack of a clear enough pitch, or something else that established the wro…

When first shown it by a friend, I didn't want to use it because I was ideologically only using open source stuff, and servers I have control over. I carried on using Unison and some dodgy shell scripts.

Some years later, I got a free 60Gb Dropbox account with a new Samsung phone. It seemed a good way to sync my music and photos, and to let me access text files on the phone.

I'd meanwhile got fed up with my hand made scripts, and tried a few other commercial backup solutions, and got fed up with them all. So Dropbox seemed not a bad part to a backup strategy to use from my desktop as well.

I think this year's privacy news on the Internet has shown my original view was correct. And Drew has shown that a mature, usable, cross-platform syncing client is nevertheless something I use!

Re: April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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I'm still not using Dropbox. I absolutely detest the idea that I'm relying on a 3rd party for a feature that I consider should be built into every modern Operating System. At the point when OS vendors relinquished to the Web 2.0 Cult their responsibilities for such features as easy filesharing, the world lost something.

Absolutely, its great that people can share files this way. But absolutely, its terrible that it requires fragments of an OS feature to be distributed among multiple, external, unreliable entities.

Re: April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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post #3

Dropbox is definitely a case where a single person's vision was required to create a revolutionary product. Judging by the comments, leaving it to HNers as a group would have just resulted in a faster usb drive.

I think a far more insidious fact is that Dropbox fills in a gap left wide open by incompetent OS developers. Its the 21st Century - the OS should be providing such features inherently, without requiring a third party involvement. Maybe HN'ers, at that time, were somehow conscious of this fact, and thus declined to 'see the revolution' that was headed their way. Either way, since there was no other option, Dropbox was "revolutionary" enough to have gained a following.

Re: April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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I'm still not using Dropbox. I absolutely detest the idea that I'm relying on a 3rd party for a feature that I consider should be built into every modern Operating System. At the point when OS vendors relinquished to the Web 2.0 Cult their responsibilities for such features as easy filesharing, the world lost something. Absolutely, its great that people can share files this way. But absolutely, its terrible that it r…

Why should OS vendors also supply cloud storage?

Who would provide this cloud storage for Linux distributions?

Re: April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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Maybe the most remarkable thing is how short the comment thread is -- but I suspect that is more an artefact of how much smaller the hn community was back then, than anything else.

Interesting how dropbox managed to succeed in an area with so many competitors.

Finally, I still think it's complete crap for me. But I also see how it's a great packaging and reselling of s3 -- and I'm certainly not surprised it took of (Not saying I necessarily would've bet on dropbox in 2007 -- but the sorry state of webdav in in windows left the market open for anything that offered user-friendly, secure cloud storage, and dropbox ticked (the most commercially important) two of those boxes.

edit: Ok, complete crap is too strong -- but it's a product I have extremely limited use for. While it is easy to migrate away from in the sense that it just stores files, it's not Free software (important for me for anything I use to store my files) and it has no privacy and questionable security (although dropbox+encfs patches up some of that). Still surprising that people didn't seem to see the commercial value -- I absolutely see that (much as I see how people would pay for google apps even if I never would).

Re: April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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Honestly, I still think the idea of dropbox is ludicrous. There are many ways to share files, and sending them to a third party to host for you is the worst one of them all. Aside from the few people that really need to multiply their bandwith by many orders of magnitude, a simple file sharing server on their own PC or a server they own would do the job just fine. Besides, dropbox was just yet another iteration of online file hosting (I'm pretty sure rapidshare and megaupload predated dropbox by years), so if file sharing was going to blow up, it would have already, right?

And therein lies the true genius of dropbox. The technology itself had already been done to death; the key was to convince a critical mass of people that this was the solution to their problems. Or even better, convince them of a problem they didn't realize they had. Yet again we see that many times success comes down to the better marketer than truly game-changing technology.

(to be completely fair, their syncing mechanism was the best up until then, plus their add-free freemium model was likely the missing key to success in this space)

Re: April 5, 2007: "Show HN, Dropbox"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

His statement is correct, and totally irrelevant when considering consumers.

> and totally irrelevant when considering consumers. That's the most important part, and the mostly often ignored in HN discussions It's the same with the difference between the Apple I and Appple II

I think the technology and its usability wasn't the problem.

The problem was, nobody thought people would be so crazy and store their stuff on the other side of the planet (performance) on the servers of complete strangers (security).

But they totally would...

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