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Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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I don't see how general celebrity deaths are hacker news. I would like to read about tech and computer news and ideas; if I wanted this, I would read general news sites.

Agreed. It's not just celebrity deaths it's more and more obviously not technology-related topics. It's a shame because the interesting technology topics are buried in an increasing amount of noise.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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I came to this comment thread just to find this comment and downvote it, because I KNEW it would be here.

Happy to oblige. I look forward to the Perez Hiltification of the forum...

The absolute best thing about HN is that if you're a Hacker, it's a semi-complete resource of what's relevant. Not every celebrity death belongs on HN, but this one absolutely does. It's hard to explain why it does, which is why HN's rules are vague, but there's no doubt that it does. It may mean nothing to you, as many of the things mean nothing to you on the site (do you read every link on the front page? No way) but to a lot of the community, as hackers this was important to us.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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I'm not sure what fallacies my post was riddled with. Yes, some of it was opinion. And I never said Kanye West couldn't produce well. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with the Rick Rubin comment either. Do you have a high opinion of Rick Rubin? I'm pretty sure Rick Rubin has a high opinion of Kanye. I make music as a hobby, am fairly decent at it (IMHO, anyway) and listen to a lot of music. Kanye puts to…

I think part of the reason a lot of people don't take Kanye seriously as an artist is that he behaves like a petulant twit. In this day and age of pop musicians being embroiled in controversy after controversy, Kanye gives them all a run for their money. From interrupting someone who was getting an award and voicing his thoughts on who he thinks should have won, to having no sense of reservation and calling himself t…

If we start to question artists morally then very quickly a lot of significant work and artists should 'abandon the scene'. From Lennon to Wagner, Ferdinand-Celine to Bill Murray, Polanksi via Woody Allen, to Chris Brown to Kanye (probably the mildest on this shopping list).

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Kanye has been pretty honest about his abilities as a producer. He was always a chopped-up samples producer and started bringing in musicians and other producers to layer original instrumentation over his samples on his first album. That style evolved with each subsequent album, with his albums prior to Yeezus being extremely orchestrated and huge. There is absolutely no-doubt that Kanye is the ringleader in this. He…

"but he's putting it all together and making it cohesive" No, that was Rick Rubin who did that. So we know Kanye isn't a great rapper (he's had many songs Ghost written and I think its a pretty common belief among hip-hop heads) and you say he can't produce well? What can he do well? I don't have the time to go through it all unless you really want me to, but your last post was riddled with fallacies and pretty biase…

He does well. Music is subjective, but here's a glimpse at his creative process:

https://youtu.be/2L27MMkVl08

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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One of the most important musicians of all time. The Velvet Underground inspired countless musicians and greatly influenced whole genres of music, it's hard to see how Punk would have existed without the Velvet Underground. Lou Reed's greatest contribution though was his ability to mix great song writing with artful experimentation. From ST with Nico to Loaded to White Light White Heat to Vicious and Metal Machine Mu…

John Cale was an equally large part of what made the VU great, and he's still touring and making great music. I'd be interested to hear his thoughts.

Speaking of Cale and Reed, I still enjoy listening to their 1990 album Songs for Drella about their time with Andy Warhol.

It's a very personal record, rather quiet, and gives a lot of insight in to who Warhol was from both Reed and Cale. Here's a sample, with Cale singing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FBvP8o35CA

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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I don't see how general celebrity deaths are hacker news. I would like to read about tech and computer news and ideas; if I wanted this, I would read general news sites.

This has been discussed many times, but as you've just joined, here's a PSA: On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. [1] Lou Reed was an amazing musician, and someone that promoted intellectual curiosity [2], hence the 20+ points. (too bad…

As far as I can tell, the only things considered off topic on HN are (1) submissions whose title don't match the headline of the linked page, and (2) puns.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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The Velvet Underground's career can be summed up as: "Commercially unsuccessful, but enormously influential". On a side note, if you have a few minutes to spare, read Lou Reed's review of Kanye's Yeezus : http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/lou-reed It's interesting to read a legend's opinion on a modern pop-star.

> ... read Lou Reed's review of Kanye's Yeezus: http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/lou-reed Reading that is like watching Lou Reed mentally wrestle himself to the ground. He really doesn't like the record, but keeps rationalizing: the annoying synth sound as a "challenge"; the abrupt changes are challenging and keeping us "off balance. But soon after undermines his own rationalizations to note (correctly, in my vie…

I feel like we didn't read the same piece. Did yours have this at the end?

At so many points in this album, the music breaks into this melody, and it's glorious — I mean, glorious. He has to know that — why else would you do that? He's not just banging his head against the wall, but he acts as though he is. He doesn't want to seem precious, he wants to keep his cred.

And sometimes it's like a synth orchestra. I've never heard anything like it — I've heard people try to do it but no way, it just comes out tacky. Kanye is there. It's like his video for "Runaway," with the ballet dancers — it was like, look out, this guy is making connections. You could bring one into the other — ballet into hip-hop — they're not actually contradictory, and he knew that, he could see it immediately. He obviously can hear that all styles are the same, somewhere deep in their heart, there's a connection. It's all the same shit, it's all music — that's what makes him great. If you like sound, listen to what he's giving you. Majestic and inspiring.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Should be OT for HN. Thanks for the downvotes guys. Fine if you loved Lou Reed, but how would you feel if Hacker News featured every famous person death you didn't care about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_2013 Would you still visit the site?

No, it shouldn't. Although the death of a celebrity is interesting, it's not deeply interesting. However, some celebrities like Lou Reed, are deeply interesting. And it's not until their death that we generally discuss or think about how deeply interesting they were.

Hacker news, as far as I understand it, is not tech news. Other sites have that covered. This is the discussion of ideas.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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I think part of the reason a lot of people don't take Kanye seriously as an artist is that he behaves like a petulant twit. In this day and age of pop musicians being embroiled in controversy after controversy, Kanye gives them all a run for their money. From interrupting someone who was getting an award and voicing his thoughts on who he thinks should have won, to having no sense of reservation and calling himself t…

If we start to question artists morally then very quickly a lot of significant work and artists should 'abandon the scene'. From Lennon to Wagner, Ferdinand-Celine to Bill Murray, Polanksi via Woody Allen, to Chris Brown to Kanye (probably the mildest on this shopping list).

What's different this time around is that the pop stars' life details are part of their shtick more than ever before. Chris Brown is a 'bad boy', this is how he's packaged. What is of concern is that, this kind of behavior is being normalized in society at large when it's reigning a significant portion of the pop media cycle.

The common criticism with Lennon was that he was a bad husband and father in his first marriage -- but this part of his life was never publicized, indeed, it was actively suppressed by his PR managers. And for whatever it's worth, Lennon was in the process of making amends in his final days anyways.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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> ... read Lou Reed's review of Kanye's Yeezus: http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/lou-reed Reading that is like watching Lou Reed mentally wrestle himself to the ground. He really doesn't like the record, but keeps rationalizing: the annoying synth sound as a "challenge"; the abrupt changes are challenging and keeping us "off balance. But soon after undermines his own rationalizations to note (correctly, in my vie…

This is as complete a misreading of Reed's review as I can imagine.

Sometimes I wonder if people have a preconceived bias against hip hop / rap music which tarnishes their ability to think critically on the matter.
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