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Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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The Velvet Underground's career can be summed up as: "Commercially unsuccessful, but enormously influential". On a side note, if you have a few minutes to spare, read Lou Reed's review of Kanye's Yeezus : http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/lou-reed It's interesting to read a legend's opinion on a modern pop-star.

> ... read Lou Reed's review of Kanye's Yeezus: http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/lou-reed

Reading that is like watching Lou Reed mentally wrestle himself to the ground. He really doesn't like the record, but keeps rationalizing: the annoying synth sound as a "challenge"; the abrupt changes are challenging and keeping us "off balance. But soon after undermines his own rationalizations to note (correctly, in my view) that the real reason to make music is to make something beautiful, and hope that other people agree with you. And there he truly uncovers what's wrong with Kanye's music, and all that ilk: it's disdain of the listener. Anyone who listens to it is Kanye's bitch, willing to take all of his musical shit and like it, and Kanye knows it. And he definitely likes it.

Here we see clearly: Lou Reed isn't anyone's bitch, even when some egalitarian part of himself perversely really wants to be. We are witnessing, in black and white, his higher principles assert themselves even after he his lower ones sacrifice aesthetics and credibility on their petty alter named 'open-mindedness'. He means well here, but he just can't get away from his own good taste.

Makes me respect Lou Reed more, actually.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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From a young age, no other artists expanded the definition of what it meant to fuse creativity, art, & music more than Lou Reed and The Velvet Underground. There are not too many artists that I can honestly say redefined music for me. He was one of them.

Thanks Lou.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Kanye has been pretty honest about his abilities as a producer. He was always a chopped-up samples producer and started bringing in musicians and other producers to layer original instrumentation over his samples on his first album. That style evolved with each subsequent album, with his albums prior to Yeezus being extremely orchestrated and huge. There is absolutely no-doubt that Kanye is the ringleader in this. He…

"but he's putting it all together and making it cohesive" No, that was Rick Rubin who did that. So we know Kanye isn't a great rapper (he's had many songs Ghost written and I think its a pretty common belief among hip-hop heads) and you say he can't produce well? What can he do well? I don't have the time to go through it all unless you really want me to, but your last post was riddled with fallacies and pretty biase…

I'm not sure what fallacies my post was riddled with. Yes, some of it was opinion. And I never said Kanye West couldn't produce well. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with the Rick Rubin comment either. Do you have a high opinion of Rick Rubin? I'm pretty sure Rick Rubin has a high opinion of Kanye.

I make music as a hobby, am fairly decent at it (IMHO, anyway) and listen to a lot of music. Kanye puts together songs, particularly on Yeezus, that are different than what else is out there and I have little doubt that Yeezus will influence a lot of rap over the next few years.

I never tried to equate Kanye West to Lou Reed.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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The Velvet Underground's career can be summed up as: "Commercially unsuccessful, but enormously influential". On a side note, if you have a few minutes to spare, read Lou Reed's review of Kanye's Yeezus : http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/lou-reed It's interesting to read a legend's opinion on a modern pop-star.

> ... read Lou Reed's review of Kanye's Yeezus: http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/lou-reed Reading that is like watching Lou Reed mentally wrestle himself to the ground. He really doesn't like the record, but keeps rationalizing: the annoying synth sound as a "challenge"; the abrupt changes are challenging and keeping us "off balance. But soon after undermines his own rationalizations to note (correctly, in my vie…

I don't know this Kanye but if I follow you his music is shit and Reed tried hard to not say it.

Then for this I would respect less Lou Reed: when it's crap just say crap. In music strong taste is expected and politeness is a loss of time.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"but he's putting it all together and making it cohesive" No, that was Rick Rubin who did that. So we know Kanye isn't a great rapper (he's had many songs Ghost written and I think its a pretty common belief among hip-hop heads) and you say he can't produce well? What can he do well? I don't have the time to go through it all unless you really want me to, but your last post was riddled with fallacies and pretty biase…

There are two meanings of "producer" at play here: a) he who cuts a beat, b) he who produces an album. Kanye was limited yet very successful at A, and he may be the best in his field at B. Kanye may not be the world's best rapper, but he is no slouch, and to be producing (both meanings) in the capacity he does at the same time is staggering. I like to tell people it's as if Martin Scorsese played the lead role in all…

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Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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post #74
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"but he's putting it all together and making it cohesive" No, that was Rick Rubin who did that. So we know Kanye isn't a great rapper (he's had many songs Ghost written and I think its a pretty common belief among hip-hop heads) and you say he can't produce well? What can he do well? I don't have the time to go through it all unless you really want me to, but your last post was riddled with fallacies and pretty biase…

I'm not sure what fallacies my post was riddled with. Yes, some of it was opinion. And I never said Kanye West couldn't produce well. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with the Rick Rubin comment either. Do you have a high opinion of Rick Rubin? I'm pretty sure Rick Rubin has a high opinion of Kanye. I make music as a hobby, am fairly decent at it (IMHO, anyway) and listen to a lot of music. Kanye puts to…

I think part of the reason a lot of people don't take Kanye seriously as an artist is that he behaves like a petulant twit. In this day and age of pop musicians being embroiled in controversy after controversy, Kanye gives them all a run for their money. From interrupting someone who was getting an award and voicing his thoughts on who he thinks should have won, to having no sense of reservation and calling himself the "greatest living rockstar", and handling himself the worst possible way when he gets criticized (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB9dk66ICVQ), he's in the frontline lowering the bar. The man has absolutely no class, I'd rather he just abandon the scene. Similarly, I don't care if Chris Brown is really talented or not -- he's bloodied up women, his misogynistic behavior should have him set aside so that he no longer has a platform.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Should be OT for HN.

Thanks for the downvotes guys. Fine if you loved Lou Reed, but how would you feel if Hacker News featured every famous person death you didn't care about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_2013

Would you still visit the site?

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what fallacies my post was riddled with. Yes, some of it was opinion. And I never said Kanye West couldn't produce well. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with the Rick Rubin comment either. Do you have a high opinion of Rick Rubin? I'm pretty sure Rick Rubin has a high opinion of Kanye. I make music as a hobby, am fairly decent at it (IMHO, anyway) and listen to a lot of music. Kanye puts to…

I think part of the reason a lot of people don't take Kanye seriously as an artist is that he behaves like a petulant twit. In this day and age of pop musicians being embroiled in controversy after controversy, Kanye gives them all a run for their money. From interrupting someone who was getting an award and voicing his thoughts on who he thinks should have won, to having no sense of reservation and calling himself t…

"I think part of the reason a lot of people don't take Kanye seriously as an artist is that he behaves like a petulant twit."

But the thing is, people DO take Kanye seriously as an artist. His albums are constantly praised over and over again by critics. Even in places you wouldn't really expect it, there is a general acceptance that Kanye is leading the pack when it comes to innovation in pop music.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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post #16

The Velvet Underground's career can be summed up as: "Commercially unsuccessful, but enormously influential". On a side note, if you have a few minutes to spare, read Lou Reed's review of Kanye's Yeezus : http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/lou-reed It's interesting to read a legend's opinion on a modern pop-star.

> ... read Lou Reed's review of Kanye's Yeezus: http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/lou-reed Reading that is like watching Lou Reed mentally wrestle himself to the ground. He really doesn't like the record, but keeps rationalizing: the annoying synth sound as a "challenge"; the abrupt changes are challenging and keeping us "off balance. But soon after undermines his own rationalizations to note (correctly, in my vie…

This is as complete a misreading of Reed's review as I can imagine.
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