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The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Re: The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Post by gwern »

praxeologist wrote: post #80
hershel wrote: post #52

Since people here talk about the difference of e-cigs and cigarettes , i.e. the lack of effects on MAOI, have anybody tried any juice that claims to have that effect on MAOI, for example "aroma ejuice" ? How were the results for you ? And does anybody know about research or regulation of this types of ejuices ? And since those same MAOI affecting compounds(probably beta carbolates) found in tobacco ,are found in brew…

Beta-carboline MAOI's were originally hypothesized to be what is important for those who feel something is missing with nicotine-only eliquid. After 3 years of working on this, I can tell you that this is not true. What's important is the other "minor tobacco alkaloids" like anatabine, anabasine, myosimine, etc. Beta-carboline MAOI's, like the minor alkaloids, do have a potentiating effect with nicotine and therefore…

> What's important is the other "minor tobacco alkaloids" like anatabine, anabasine, myosimine, etc.

Interesting. Could you provide more info about this?

Re: The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Post by cabalamat »

chimeracoder wrote: post #100
Alex3917 wrote: post #82

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> E-cigarettes are not harmless and I wish people would stop perpetuating that lie. They might be fairly harmless, we don't know. The three biggest risks of smoking are cancer, emphysema, and heart disease. For a casual smoker, heart disease is by far the biggest risk. This is caused by the carbon monoxide, and eCigs have zero of this. There's also no reason to think that they cause emphysema. In terms of cancer, the…

> They might be fairly harmless, we don't know. They might be less harmless (though we don't know that yet), but we can be fairly certain that they are least somewhat harmful. This is not like vaporizing cannabis - the desirable compounds in cannabis are not carcinogenic[0] and actually have cancer-fighting properties, and the main drawbacks to smoking cannabis come from the act of smoking, not from the substance. Ni…

> we can be fairly certain that they are least somewhat harmful

Can we? How?

> Nicotine, on the other hand, is harmful in its own right.

Vaping doesn't necessarily involve nicotine.

Re: The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Post by ams6110 »

gwern wrote: post #139
chimeracoder wrote: post #109

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> Before responding, you might want to read http://www.gwern.net/Nicotine . I can assure that this is a topic on which I have done far more research in my lifetime than that blog post. I'm not trying to be snarky; I'm just emphasizing that I have a lot more knowledge on this topic than I can reasonably compress into a 124-word HN post (like my original comment). > Citation needed. The post that you yourself link is a…

> I can assure that this is a topic on which I have done far more research in my lifetime than that blog post. I'm not trying to be snarky; I'm just emphasizing that I have a lot more knowledge on this topic than I can reasonably compress into a 124-word HN post (like my original comment). Then I would appreciate your links to the studies of the harmful effects of nicotine alone that I have somehow failed to find. >…

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/EmergencyResponseCard_297500...

At one time, nicotine was used in the United States as an insecticide ... Nicotine affects the nervous system and the heart. Exposure to relatively small amounts can rapidly be fatal.

Re: The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Post by rogerthis »

I really feel like an ET. I'm from a world of cigarrete tv commercials; marlboro mclaren car; my mom, at 73, still smokes, daddy smoked until his last day and his death cause was not related to tobacco; grandfathers too; I studied in a technical high school where the teenagers could freely smoke; in university, there was one teacher that smoked cigars in the classroom...lost world of youth.

Re: The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Post by radio4fan »

bashinator wrote: post #136
tomjen3 wrote: post #71

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I must admit I have tolerance for that bullshit. The cigs don't contain any of the dangerous chemical in a cigarette - you don't need a study to prove they are safe, you just need a decent understanding of chemistry. But a million anti-smoking advocates don't give a shit.

If nicotine isn't harmful in itself, why does chewing tobacco cause cancers of the mouth?

Because there are more than 70 carcinogenic compounds in tobacco.

Re: The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Post by Game_Ender »

nerfhammer wrote: post #121
joshcanhelp wrote: post #46

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If you buy from legitimate sources, you do. There are quality liquid producers that only use FDA-regulated flavors and sweeteners, organically-source vegetable glycerin, nicotine, and water. You can buy cheap from producers overseas, and I'm sure many do, but you can be as picky with your liquid as you can with what you eat.

lacking regulation you have no idea if such claims in their marketing material are even true

Even with regulation you still have to trust the companies making products. Most regulations do not require statistically significant independent sampling of every batch of product people consume. With such independent testing, you are going to have to trust the producer.

Re: The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Post by driverdan »

ams6110 wrote: post #143
gwern wrote: post #139

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> I can assure that this is a topic on which I have done far more research in my lifetime than that blog post. I'm not trying to be snarky; I'm just emphasizing that I have a lot more knowledge on this topic than I can reasonably compress into a 124-word HN post (like my original comment). Then I would appreciate your links to the studies of the harmful effects of nicotine alone that I have somehow failed to find. >…

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/EmergencyResponseCard_297500... At one time, nicotine was used in the United States as an insecticide ... Nicotine affects the nervous system and the heart. Exposure to relatively small amounts can rapidly be fatal.

Like anything the dose makes the poison. The amount of nicotine used in ecigs or tobacco products is well below the amount needed to cause the effects described here.

Re: The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Post by jimzvz »

chill1 wrote: post #135
jimzvz wrote: post #69

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I wish people would stop sneezing, coughing, stinking, wearing perfume etc in public but we can't have everything our own way when we interact with other people.

So I suppose you wouldn't mind if a new coal plant opened up a couple blocks from your home?

Of course I would mind, what does that have to do with electronic cigarettes?

Re: The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Post by dageshi »

I've always thought that part of what made quitting cigarettes so hard is the social aspect. Laws preventing it force fellow smokers together in designated areas where I guess they smoke and chat. To suddenly quit not only means you're suffering from the physical withdrawl but also the social aspect. e-cigs seem like the only alternative to actual cigarettes which mean you don't lose that social aspect since you can hang out with other smokers while you vape, should you wish.

Re: The E-Cigarette Industry, Waiting to Exhale

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Post by tadfisher »

shiftpgdn wrote: post #43
KC8ZKF wrote: post #24

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People tap-tap-tapping at their fucking phones gets the same reaction from me. Of course it's irrational for me to feel this way, so I've learned to ignore it.

I am extraordinarily allergic to the glycol in e-cigs. Just a few seconds of exposure is enough to send me into anaphylaxis. I am pretty sure somebody tapping away on their phone wont kill you.

I assume you are also allergic to hospital wards, which maintain a concentration of vaporized propylene glycol in their HVAC systems to prevent cross-infection?
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