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Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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Is this such a success in 2013? That you don't need to be a guru to configure a printer and make use of it?

I can't wrap my head around why people seem to hail it as some sort of a triumph that someone managed to use Ubuntu for "email, youtube, general browsing" without resorting to expert aid :)

I mean, good for Linux, but isn't that an absolute minimum of what should be expected from a modern desktop OS?? Shouldn't it go without saying? :)

If something as normal as that makes for news to share, it is a clear indication of how bad a reputation Linux has had for a long time

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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AFter fighting with virii and malware upteen times on my Mom and Dad's laptops - which I have to correct every few months or so, I simply gave up on Windows and installed Ubuntu for them. I didn't even bother training them - just pointed them to a few tutorials and help.ubuntu.com. The only hard part where I had to chip in were the printer drivers...aargh. Frankly, windows required a lot more help.

However, I will not deny that something like the Chromebook is a serious competitor to the Linux desktop - for the casual user.

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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my dad salvaged an ancient notebook from work to use as a living room computer (usually if he sees something on TV that interests him, he starts googling it), or use for vacation planning etc.

tried to install windows but failed twice due to errors i can't remember. i then told him, fuck it, as you use it only for surfing, we'll just put linux on it and installed ubuntu 8.10. worked like a charm. everything ran out of the box, no hassle, nothing.

a week later i asked him how it was going; he answered: "everything's perfect, but i don't like desktop background - the skull."

the skull ... what skull? then it dawned on me: "dad, that's not a skull - it's a stylized ibex."

http://i.imgur.com/i60lz2G.jpg

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It must be getting used to it; I tried to use Word recently and ended up so frustrated that I almost switched to writing a layout script and making a pdf via Ruby. But other people use Word just fine so it must not be as shit as I think it is.

(La)TeX is a half-decent language to write layout scripts in. That's mostly because of the good libraries available. (The language itself sucks a bit. It was never really meant for general computation, and it shows.)

I use LaTeX at work, but usually through Org-mode. I usually give other people around me who are not LaTeX users PDF but if they insist on having something editable I either give them a plain text or whatever they want through ODT export through Org-mode. I don't have to touch MS Word it can happen all on Linux...

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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Back in 2002, I went for work to the US for about six months. Calling India on the telephone was quite expensive then, even with calling cards. So, I left my GNU/Linux machine at home with my parents and made it to login without password. It was running a version of KDE and had netscape mail. I used to connect to the internet using this little program called 'kppp' and there was a nice option in there to open any program of choice when a connection to the internet is made.

So, I made it to open netscape mail on connection.

My father was quite uninterested to learn to use the computer, though he took elaborate notes while I explained to him how to send and receive email. My mother who cannot write english, listened to what I was explaining. Both of them had never touched a computer before and had a tough time operating the mouse. Once they adjust the pointer to the right menu and they lift their hand up to click and the mouse pointer goes somewhere else. :)

But at the end it worked quite well. My mother used the computer to send me email. She wrote transliterated malayalam (my native language). Both of us understood what we were talking about and we exchanged emails almost every day of my six months of stay.

There were times when the internet service provider couldn't provide a connection to a ppp request and kppp printed weird error messages. I had a friend who used to visit my home and see if there are problems. Barring a couple of simple problems, it worked reasonably well.

Every time someone complains that GNU/Linux is difficult to use, I narrate this story to them. Yes, there are still rough edges, but we have come a long long way since 2002. Oh, did I say my parents were both 60+ in 2002?

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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Many in comments acting like Ubuntu is teh only linux distro/UI out there, many of the linux community now despise Ubuntu and see it as an OSX wannabe, if you want a real linux experience install archlinux and pick from over 1 dozen Ui's (DE/WM's) surely one will fit your needs. personaly for programming you cannot beat xmonad, and for play you cant beat openbox.

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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post #251

Is this such a success in 2013? That you don't need to be a guru to configure a printer and make use of it? I can't wrap my head around why people seem to hail it as some sort of a triumph that someone managed to use Ubuntu for "email, youtube, general browsing" without resorting to expert aid :) I mean, good for Linux, but isn't that an absolute minimum of what should be expected from a modern desktop OS?? Shouldn't…

I usually just restore shortcuts to desktop, because users can't do it themselves. Or change font size in word document. I would be impressed, if any of them would manage more.

In my experience, configuring a printer is usually over head for normal user.

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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post #257
post #251

Is this such a success in 2013? That you don't need to be a guru to configure a printer and make use of it? I can't wrap my head around why people seem to hail it as some sort of a triumph that someone managed to use Ubuntu for "email, youtube, general browsing" without resorting to expert aid :) I mean, good for Linux, but isn't that an absolute minimum of what should be expected from a modern desktop OS?? Shouldn't…

I usually just restore shortcuts to desktop, because users can't do it themselves. Or change font size in word document. I would be impressed, if any of them would manage more. In my experience, configuring a printer is usually over head for normal user.

No plug and play?

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

#259

Microsoft's desktop supremacy hasn't been down to "it's got a nice, easy to use interface" for at least 20 years. Rather, Microsoft is (or was, in the pre-post-PC world) everywhere because of (a) licensing stitch-ups with hardware vendors and (b) network externalities: get into Corporate IT departments with Office, then people will want (or need) to use the same OS at home, and then you can strong-arm hardware vendor…

This. No sane person should respond to "I need something simple" with "I'll install Windows"

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually just restore shortcuts to desktop, because users can't do it themselves. Or change font size in word document. I would be impressed, if any of them would manage more. In my experience, configuring a printer is usually over head for normal user.

No plug and play?

some are, some need drivers.

But in all seriousness, plugging printer power cable to power grid, plugging it to printer. Plugging usb cable to printer, plugging it to right port in computer. Switching printer on. Waiting for it to install. Knowing which printer to choose. It could take up to hours.

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