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Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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25 and no time to learn something new? You're doing life wrong.

You're right, why don't I have a paper published in every possible field of academic inquiry? Seriously, just because you had too much free time doesn't mean I do. I appreciate your nonsensical condescension.

Agreed, it's always about three components: being healthy, being social and doing your main job/studies. If you suddenly have a lot of free time, then probably one of those three is missing.

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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Nobody has mentions the UI. I know Ubuntu has come a long way but Windows' UI is much, much nicer. It may sound silly but I think it's a valid reason for some. The same reason why one would buy an iPhone over another less expensive (or non-apple) phone, you pay for looks (it may not be the only reason of course but it is part of it). People like nice-looking stuff, and older folks seem to care (or notice) less these…

Please don't try and pass off your personal preferences as fact. Beauty is just a matter of preference. Personally I've never cared for Microsoft's design. XP always looked chunky and gaudy to me - I hated it. Aero looks unfinished compared to Compiz (but part of that might be down to the fact that Linux has been doing desktop compositing for years before Windows finally caught up). And Windows 8 just looks like Micr…

Wow, you really don't understand what tiles and metro design are about? Have you considered the power fonts have? Have you thought of making content a first class citizen in GUI?

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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What kind of Dutch school is that? High school? I studied Computer Science at University of Amsterdam. I think I was the only one who was using windows. (I would ssh into a university computer to do most programming).

Hmm, I'm not sure I want to tie too much information to my alias publicly, but I guess with enough effort you can piece it together anyway (as far as I'm aware there are not that many open source events in the Netherlands today). I'm doing some IT study at Fontys. Not a university by Dutch standards, but their english name is "fontys university of applied sciences". In any case, we have one other Linux user in class…

OS X is actually compliant with the UNIX spec. http://blog.opengroup.org/2012/07/25/apple-registers-mac-os-...

That's one of two reasons that I like using it. The other is that it will always run the Adobe CS painlessly. Can't really find that combination anywhere else.

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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I have to refute that statement in regards of Windows 8 on desktop. The amount of confusion in that UI, even for me, is a handful. If we ignore the metro side of things, I agree with you however.

>If we ignore the metro side of things Yes, absolutely. My start screen is an empty, blue wall with a large tile taking me to the desktop. Despite the start screen I like everything else about the system.

But that is just your Start menu expanded to take the whole screen... Were you removing all the items from Start menu on older versions of Windows as well?

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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This is one way to look at it. Here's another: I have Ubuntu on a couple of machines at home and still can't get them to talk to my Brother MFC-685CW printer. I'm a PhD in EECS.

Another way to look at it is.. So is my professor and he can't tell the difference between when he is on Windows or on a UNIX machine.. :-\

He teaches OS design, right? :P

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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This is one way to look at it. Here's another: I have Ubuntu on a couple of machines at home and still can't get them to talk to my Brother MFC-685CW printer. I'm a PhD in EECS.

Here's another: old people are smarter than PHDs. (tongue in cheek)

It means I have seen people who were smarter than themselves :).

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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This is one way to look at it. Here's another: I have Ubuntu on a couple of machines at home and still can't get them to talk to my Brother MFC-685CW printer. I'm a PhD in EECS.

Thats not your fault, its Brothers. Not all printers are going to work in Linux, simply because most printer manufacturers only support Windows.

It's not Brothers fault. Consumer demand decides what gets supported. Don't they typically support MacOS as well?

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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Honestly, I've had better luck installing Ubuntu or Mint then I ever have with Windows. Assuming that a Linux driver exists, the only case I've ever seen a driver not get used automatically is with proprietary drivers. Even then, it's usually just one more click on a GUI that tells you which ones were not used. For Windows, at best everything is working except for graphics. Even then though, the drivers are usually n…

I honestly cannot relate to this at all. I have not had Windows drivers issues in years, up to and including Windows 8.1.

Neither did I. It just works.

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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That's what I never got about Windows and especially Windows devs. How can you get anything done with all that clicking and no unix tools?

When future arrived we just did not miss it. GUIs are more natural, it's much better then learning each tools crappy mini console DSL.

> When future arrived we just did not miss it.

This might hold water were it not for the fact that pretty much all console unix tool users started off on Windows or Mac.

> GUIs are more natural, it's much better then learning each tools crappy mini console DSL.

Yes, GUIs are more natural. But for most of us, the time spent learning how to use common unix tools pays for itself very quickly by increasing productivity: it's an investment.

Re: My dad unexpectedly uses my Linux laptop to get real work done

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My mom 50+, No technical knowledge, uses ubuntu for email, youtube, and general browsing, and occasionally makes presentations. My colleagues at work, Programmers, aren't able to get out of Windows, even though they are just writing python. They would rather stick with the pain of having to use git in a crappy console, and suffer loads of pain when shell-ing into ec2 linux boxes, Than learn a new UI and file-system

That's what drives me craziest about programming in windows, the freak'n console is awful

the windows console sucks, but there are a couple of tools that keep you from throwing your workstation out of the window:

readline completion à la bash: http://code.google.com/p/clink/

nice console emulator with tabs: http://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/

gnu tools on windows without cygwin: https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/wiki

not perfect, but actually usable...

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