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I've been reading about IMAP for more than a decade and I keep hearing about how hard it is to get right, for both the client and the server. I've wondered why this is. Is the standard too complicated? Is it written in way that allows for too much interpretation?
I think it's one user with a fucked up mailbox rule that copies stuff around or something like that. Apple also runs iCloud mail servers on IMAP, I think they would catch that if it was a widespread issue on betas.
I know at least 2 people plus myself who have the very same problem with Gmail IMAP and new Mail.app.
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> People in San Francisco who are going on the commute on the 101 don't say "I'm going to the Bay Area today" - they say "I'm going to South Bay today". Of course not; they're already in the Bay Area. People in Palo Alto don't say "I'm going to the Bay Area" when they drive to SF, and people on the Upper West Side don't say "I'm going to New York today" when they take the A train downtown, either. I honestly can't te…
Actually I thought you were trolling by saying people I know are delusional because they refer to Cupertino as being in South Bay (which is obviously just a subregion of the Bay Area). Another poster is getting upset because I wrote "the 101" instead of "101". Christ. With regards to your other point, no, of course I don't think all Apple engineers are second tier, but I do feel that since Bertrand Serlet left, OS X…
Regarding "great" vs. "competent" engineers: every company needs a mix of them. There aren't enough truly great engineers for even just Apple or Google to be entirely staffed by them, much less all of the other companies out there. So everyone needs to make do with merely competent engineers in some roles.
You mentioned in a sibling comment that the engineers in question "contract at Apple"; here you wonder if Apple is merely "hiring competent engineers to implement a roadmap". But that's exactly what all companies hire contractors for, whereas great engineers who are "let loose to think different" are typically permanent employees.
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In Settings > Mail, Contacts & Calendars, there's a section called ACCOUNTS. Click on all of them and turn "Mail" off. This way you'll still get everything else in Calendars, Contacts, et. al., but when Mail.app opens it will be empty.
Good tip - thanks!
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When I think of "most mail clients" I think of Outlook, Thunderbird and so on - I wouldn't term something that didn't support at least one of POP or IMAP an email client. Proprietary email client maybe, like AOL's built-in one...
So your differing point of view means it's OK to malign us publicly? By "FUD" you surely meant to imply that we were trying to do something malicious, when, literally, all we're trying to do is make people's inboxes ever-so-slightly happier places. To be clear: - this is a really hard problem - we're iterating in public to get user feedback - we're not charging anything and don't have any immediate plans to - we spec…
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So your differing point of view means it's OK to malign us publicly? By "FUD" you surely meant to imply that we were trying to do something malicious, when, literally, all we're trying to do is make people's inboxes ever-so-slightly happier places. To be clear: - this is a really hard problem - we're iterating in public to get user feedback - we're not charging anything and don't have any immediate plans to - we spec…
Your outburst just lost me as a potential user. If you don't want public feedback don't promote your "email client" on a public website. If you prefer the login-wall circle jerk of Quora, keep your promotions there.
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Actually I thought you were trolling by saying people I know are delusional because they refer to Cupertino as being in South Bay (which is obviously just a subregion of the Bay Area). Another poster is getting upset because I wrote "the 101" instead of "101". Christ. With regards to your other point, no, of course I don't think all Apple engineers are second tier, but I do feel that since Bertrand Serlet left, OS X…
None of us objected to you saying that people refer to Cupertino as being in the South Bay. What we objected to was the second half of that sentence: "... rather than the Bay Area." As written, this implies that the people in question believe that the South Bay is not part of the Bay Area, which is delusional. Maybe you didn't intend to say that, but that's what you wrote, and what everyone responded to. Regarding "g…
Check out the reviews of Pages 5, which has been dumbed down. If the vision and future for OS X is to turn it into a Fisher Price OS for the masses, I can see why a great engineer would prefer to work elsewhere and tackle bigger challenges.
http://mjtsai.com/blog/2013/10/23/iwork-13-a-huge-regression...
From the comments I draw the conclusion that a solid, open source, GUI e-mail client would have great popularity. Are there such clients out there? I used Thunderbird under Linux but it feels cumbersome.
To me, Thunderbird + Nostalgy + Enigmail + Colored Diffs = bliss.
I don't blame them. I had a go at implementing an IMAP server once, and it ranks as one of the most frustrating programming experiences I've ever had. The standard is huge, fragmented, and is full of strange requirements to fulfill every thinkable use case a client may have. These small details end up heavily dictating the architecture of your application. I don't see how could implement IMAP without completely throw…
But implementing an IMAP client is vastly easier. Still frustrating, and the IMAP spec is a giant stinking turd, but most of the most horrific things in implementing an IMAP server is down to all the crap you need to support in case some weird client uses it (and one inevitably does), while a client can choose to stick to a very small subset of the spec.
I've been reading about IMAP for more than a decade and I keep hearing about how hard it is to get right, for both the client and the server. I've wondered why this is. Is the standard too complicated? Is it written in way that allows for too much interpretation?
This comment sums it up pretty well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6617692