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Re: Show success before asking for help

#2
This is what happens on the Dragon's Den. The Dragons are much more likely to invest in someone who can prove that they can make a small success on their own, and who has the balance sheet or sales statistics to prove it.

Even if someone has a stellar product or service, if they have only sold a meagre amount to friends and family in two years the Dragons start to get tetchy and either ditch them, or ask for a huge chunk of the company in return for their investment.

Of course, I'm sure the Dragon's Den isn't necessarily much like the real world, but it's interesting to note the things they look for.

Re: Show success before asking for help

#3
"I quickly took it to the Xerox machine, made a copy, and put it back."

1. Don't leave anything confidential out on your desk.

2. Don't let this guy loose in your office.

3. Ethical behavior should be a prerequisite to blogging :)

[EDIT: This was downvoted within 2 minutes of posting, exactly what I expected. It happens every time. Why do people here have such a problem when someone mentions ethical behavior? Is is because they don't want to be preached to or is it because they want to do whatever they want, consequences be damned? Either way, a down vote should be accompanied by a comment. AFAIC, nothing OP had to say mattered once I understood how he got his raw data.]

Re: Show success before asking for help

#4
Most definitely. But it isn't like people are out to get you. Once you've shown success, people think (rightly or not) that you can duplicate it again. And they want in on that. They want to invest their money there because it seems more assured.

If you haven't shown any past success, then you're a risk. What makes you more likely to succeed than any random person?

This is why I like to have a few nice, running web apps of my own. When applying for jobs, they show that I've "succeeded" on my own (beyond what I might have contributed to on a team at my previous jobs). Sure, there are probably many people much smarter than me who don't have such apps to show off. However, my past "success" (at writing code and bringing it to production) is there.

The problem with the $15,000 songwriter that the article mentions is that they were a risk when first signed and so they only got a little. Even as they've proven themselves not to be a risk with their weekly submissions, they already accepted the bad terms and there's little reason for the record company to be "nice" and give them more. Likewise, if the $500,000 advance person is terrible, the record company has agreed to certain terms and there's no reason for them to be "nice" and renegotiate down because they're crap.

The largest part of this is that if something looks like it will succeed with or without help, it seems like a sure thing. Sure things don't require the rewards of high risk things because the chance of loss is low.

Re: Show success before asking for help

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post #3

"I quickly took it to the Xerox machine, made a copy, and put it back." 1. Don't leave anything confidential out on your desk. 2. Don't let this guy loose in your office. 3. Ethical behavior should be a prerequisite to blogging :) [EDIT: This was downvoted within 2 minutes of posting, exactly what I expected. It happens every time. Why do people here have such a problem when someone mentions ethical behavior? Is is b…

> AFAIC, nothing OP had to say mattered once I understood how he got his raw data.

Why does that make sense?

Re: Show success before asking for help

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post #3

"I quickly took it to the Xerox machine, made a copy, and put it back." 1. Don't leave anything confidential out on your desk. 2. Don't let this guy loose in your office. 3. Ethical behavior should be a prerequisite to blogging :) [EDIT: This was downvoted within 2 minutes of posting, exactly what I expected. It happens every time. Why do people here have such a problem when someone mentions ethical behavior? Is is b…

Using methods to invalidate accurate results only makes sense if you're more concerned about suppressing certain methods than about accuracy.

Of course, one can find these results interesting and agree with your (1) and (2), as I do.

Re: Show success before asking for help

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post #3

"I quickly took it to the Xerox machine, made a copy, and put it back." 1. Don't leave anything confidential out on your desk. 2. Don't let this guy loose in your office. 3. Ethical behavior should be a prerequisite to blogging :) [EDIT: This was downvoted within 2 minutes of posting, exactly what I expected. It happens every time. Why do people here have such a problem when someone mentions ethical behavior? Is is b…

I'm not sure the ethical merit of what he did is germane to the message of the article.

Either way, a down vote should be accompanied by a comment.

I said this once and PG smacked me down. I think he's wrong. Unless you made an incredibly vapid comment with no substance whatsoever, you don't deserve to be downvoted unless there's at least one comment beneath your post. (Not to say I follow this rule all the time.)

Re: Show success before asking for help

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post #3

"I quickly took it to the Xerox machine, made a copy, and put it back." 1. Don't leave anything confidential out on your desk. 2. Don't let this guy loose in your office. 3. Ethical behavior should be a prerequisite to blogging :) [EDIT: This was downvoted within 2 minutes of posting, exactly what I expected. It happens every time. Why do people here have such a problem when someone mentions ethical behavior? Is is b…

Down-voted because it's irrelevant to the point he's trying to make. Arguing ethics isn't really that interesting. Discussing success, cash advances, etc etc is far more interesting.

Re: Show success before asking for help

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post #3

"I quickly took it to the Xerox machine, made a copy, and put it back." 1. Don't leave anything confidential out on your desk. 2. Don't let this guy loose in your office. 3. Ethical behavior should be a prerequisite to blogging :) [EDIT: This was downvoted within 2 minutes of posting, exactly what I expected. It happens every time. Why do people here have such a problem when someone mentions ethical behavior? Is is b…

> AFAIC, nothing OP had to say mattered once I understood how he got his raw data. Why does that make sense?

Perhaps data is only correct if it was acquired ethically? :/ Maybe the unethical collection of data introduces large margins of error from the ethic-goblins.

Re: Show success before asking for help

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post #3

"I quickly took it to the Xerox machine, made a copy, and put it back." 1. Don't leave anything confidential out on your desk. 2. Don't let this guy loose in your office. 3. Ethical behavior should be a prerequisite to blogging :) [EDIT: This was downvoted within 2 minutes of posting, exactly what I expected. It happens every time. Why do people here have such a problem when someone mentions ethical behavior? Is is b…

Down-voted because it's irrelevant to the point he's trying to make. Arguing ethics isn't really that interesting. Discussing success, cash advances, etc etc is far more interesting.

Success = (Factor1 + Factor2 + Factor3 + ...) * Ethics

Ethics is a binary 1 or 0. Maybe not that interesting, but hardly irrelevant.

(Don't believe me? Let your customers find out about you lieing, cheating, or stealing. Then see what happens to your revenue stream.)

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