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Seems to me that it's about complaining when someone else starts groups to help people. Helping people is never wrong.
> Helping people is never wrong. How could you type that with a straight face?
It's clear that the goals are extremely laudable -- to help a disadvantaged group gain experience. But this indeed asks the question, which as far as I can tell is completely unaddressed on their website: why create a group that excludes others by sex and race? How do they explain to a black 14-year-old that their group isn't going to help him ? Or a Hispanic 14-year-old girl? Or any 14-year-old whose parents are bel…
You read Hacker News. Surely you understand the importance of focus to any endeavor. The same principle applies here as to a startup — it's easier to sell "Twitter for internal business teams" than "this is an app that, like, helps people communicate and stuff in various ways."
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Disagree with my viewpoint? Please comment before you downvote. The presence of this part of your comment indicates that you already know the answer to what you've asked, and are really just trolling by 'playing the innocent'. Please don't do that.
Or, it indicates acknowledgement that people will rabidly attack anything even remotely resembling a challenge of the status quo when it comes to sociological issues. You just did it, too. Why on earth do you play off "think before you down vote" as a negative?!
You have a very, very low bar for 'rabidly attack'.
Actually, taking you on face value, it's curious that you didn't make the same criticism to the parent comment, who is 'rabidly attacking' the group in the article who are 'challenging the status quo when it comes to sociological issues'.
Why on earth do you play off "think before you down vote" as a negative?!
Oh, please. It was 'playing the innocent'. Pandering to such trolls keeps the debate at a very low level. The troll worked, too - look at all the responses.
I wasn't thinking about race; now I am. I believe minority focused groups, such as this, perpetuate racial discrimination. Can't we all just be one big group of humans? Disagree with my viewpoint? Please comment before you downvote. I'm willing to rethink my views.
As a black kid growing up I had no tech role models to look up to.It starts to get in your head that you can't possibly have a career in tech because you see no one that looks like you. It is similar to a popular joke in black neighborhoods for decades about "ain't no way you will see a black president" or "they will shoot him the first day he is elected". If you're not exposed to it, even if it is really out there, then you will tend to doubt if you can do it. It wasn't until I was older that I learned about minorities in tech. I was exposed to the internet at 18 and from then on split my time between working security in the clubs, going to college for business management and learning how to code at night when the clubs let out.
Exposure to possibility is very important part of development. So as long as these girls are getting that exposure and it helps them achieve their dream I will worry about the ramifications later.
It's clear that the goals are extremely laudable -- to help a disadvantaged group gain experience. But this indeed asks the question, which as far as I can tell is completely unaddressed on their website: why create a group that excludes others by sex and race? How do they explain to a black 14-year-old that their group isn't going to help him ? Or a Hispanic 14-year-old girl? Or any 14-year-old whose parents are bel…
I wasn't thinking about race; now I am. I believe minority focused groups, such as this, perpetuate racial discrimination. Can't we all just be one big group of humans? Disagree with my viewpoint? Please comment before you downvote. I'm willing to rethink my views.
It's more like a subculture. If people in the group already identify with the group, then I don't think this is going to hurt. It's about having fun with people you relate to. If you like participating in "black girl culture" or "gaming nerd culture" or "english-speaking perl guru culture" you're going to have a better time (on average) than "one big group of humans culture".
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Or, it indicates acknowledgement that people will rabidly attack anything even remotely resembling a challenge of the status quo when it comes to sociological issues. You just did it, too. Why on earth do you play off "think before you down vote" as a negative?!
You just did it, too. You have a very, very low bar for 'rabidly attack'. Actually, taking you on face value, it's curious that you didn't make the same criticism to the parent comment, who is 'rabidly attacking' the group in the article who are 'challenging the status quo when it comes to sociological issues'. Why on earth do you play off "think before you down vote" as a negative?! Oh, please. It was 'playing the i…
the parent comment, who is 'rabidly attacking' the group in the article who are 'challenging the status quo when it comes to sociological issues'
The group in the article are doing no such thing. My reading of the current societal status quo is that being discriminatory acceptable as long as you are a member of a protected class doing it for altruistic reasons.
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You may not be thinking about race, but an outsider looking at the tech industry probably is. Ideally, yes whether everyone is black or white shouldn't really matter, but I'm sure you feel the same way as well when you are in an 'ethnic' neighborhood or gathering. You don't feel the sense of belonging or at the very least, the racial apathy that everyone else feels. By gathering people with the same upbringing togeth…
> an outsider looking at the tech industry probably is Is that something to be encouraged or discouraged? > By gathering people with the same upbringing together to work toward a common goal, People of the same race have the same upbringing? What am I even reading? > I'm sure you feel the same way as well when you are in an 'ethnic' neighborhood or gathering. Are we as a society supposed to indulge that feeling? Pamp…
> Is that something to be encouraged or discouraged?
I think you're reading way too much into what I'm saying. I'm just stating how I think it is. Whether you like it or not, when a homogeneous group gains power anywhere, people will be suspicious, just like if a company was run solely by Republicans, the Smith family, or black people.
> People of the same race have the same upbringing? What am I even reading?
Fine, I'll be more specific, under-privileged African-Americans, 2nd generation Latinos, Southern rural white people tend to have have similar upbringings with regard to family, income, culture, and education.
> Are we as a society supposed to indulge that feeling? > Pampering that feeling creates more racial fracturing than it fixes.
I'm not offering any solutions. But for the topic at hand, when black girls come together to code, that's not saying they shouldn't hangout with white people. You're implying a false conflict. That wouldn't be the case with something like affirmative action or racial quotas which does cause conflicts.