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Swiss Fort Knox - High secure data center inside the Swiss Alps

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Re: Swiss Fort Knox - High secure data center inside the Swiss Alps

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Looks like a really nice place for a bank vault, yes. But does physical security matter that much for the IT sector? If so, these ridiculous security measures are worth nothing if not accompanied by very, very heavy digital security solutions. P.S. Why didn't they start a bank in there? Is banking too mainstream already?

Physical security seems insignificant these days when all it takes is a government order to access any data they please.

Re: Swiss Fort Knox - High secure data center inside the Swiss Alps

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post #8

During the previous .com craze (2000-ish), I was at a Mercedes data center around Munich that was build in a former WWII bunker. The allies, when they captured it, decided against blowing it up because (according to our guide at the time), blowing it up would take so much explosives that it would leave a several-kilometer large crater and destroy all glass windows for 10's of kilometers around. They had some pictures…

We've got loads of German bunkers here in Jersey and I often think of what else they could be used for. Our neighbour has converted one to a totally soundproof media room, for example. The larger ones are of historic value and are being restored, but there are some good reasons to use the medium-sized ones for server rooms.

The temperature is naturally very cool inside, and they all have superb ventilation due to the air filters installed in case of chemical attack (Hitler was gassed in WW1 and so obsessed with gas locks & ventilation).

Physical security, that's obvious. Even those that were partially destroyed after the war were made safe by pouring more concrete to re-seal them.

A highly-interconnected island with Gigabit broadband and multiple links to the UK & France.

Hey, if anyone is interested in building 'Data Bunkers' this is a damn good place to start. The local government is pretty business friendly, too.

Re: Swiss Fort Knox - High secure data center inside the Swiss Alps

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post #3

I love that so many of my favorite James Bond fantasies are coming to life nowadays, with a modern, internet twist! Where's the room where you can sit and stroke the cat on your lap?

I realy realy want the facilities staff to have color coordinated jumpsuit uniforms and hard hats.

Red for security guards of course :-)

Do you think equipping them with Mp40's would be going to far.

Re: Swiss Fort Knox - High secure data center inside the Swiss Alps

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post #8

During the previous .com craze (2000-ish), I was at a Mercedes data center around Munich that was build in a former WWII bunker. The allies, when they captured it, decided against blowing it up because (according to our guide at the time), blowing it up would take so much explosives that it would leave a several-kilometer large crater and destroy all glass windows for 10's of kilometers around. They had some pictures…

We've got loads of German bunkers here in Jersey and I often think of what else they could be used for. Our neighbour has converted one to a totally soundproof media room, for example. The larger ones are of historic value and are being restored, but there are some good reasons to use the medium-sized ones for server rooms. The temperature is naturally very cool inside, and they all have superb ventilation due to the…

Jersey => Channel Island, correct?

Re: Swiss Fort Knox - High secure data center inside the Swiss Alps

#26

One of my professors told us that UBS mirrors its whole data center to another one located in a mountain. Does anybody know if it's this particular thing? Or are there more than one of this?

From the Wired[0] article posted above[1]:

"Oschwald[Co-Founder of Swiss Fort Knox] can tick off blue-chip companies such as Cisco Systems, Novartis, UBS and Deutsche Bank among his clients."

[0]: http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/11/features/20-... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6612298

Re: Swiss Fort Knox - High secure data center inside the Swiss Alps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've got loads of German bunkers here in Jersey and I often think of what else they could be used for. Our neighbour has converted one to a totally soundproof media room, for example. The larger ones are of historic value and are being restored, but there are some good reasons to use the medium-sized ones for server rooms. The temperature is naturally very cool inside, and they all have superb ventilation due to the…

Jersey => Channel Island, correct?

Yes, we are right off the French coast.

Here's some background on the WW2 history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Channel_Isla...

Re: Swiss Fort Knox - High secure data center inside the Swiss Alps

#28
So, if I may ask, for the small time host, where and with whom do people consider things to be... "reasonably" secure?

I'm less concerned about catastrophic physical destruction than I am about e.g. the Swiss equivalent of a national security letter / remit /warrant / whatever. Physical security is nice with respect to securing the physical hardware from unwanted access.

I used to manage a site that did nothing nefarious, but that did accumulate some rather personal discussions.

As I've considered whether to do so again, I've wondered where the hey I would / should host it, these days.

We always policed fairly strongly, including to e.g. removing copy/pastes of full news articles. The place was never about "law breaking". But I don't want to facilitate Agency X, BigCo Y, or SocialScum Z in their efforts to flesh out personal profiles from the server end, nor to throttle "reasonable" conversation.

I suppose the answer is "nowhere", these days. But maybe there is still a relatively "next best thing".

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