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Re: Tsunami advisory in northern Japan after 7.1 magnitude earthquake off coast

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Post by antris »

LekkoscPiwa wrote: post #3

It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues. We can see how after the Fukushima this morphed into a little radiation may actually mobilize your immune system to protect the body from radiation-related illnesses like cancer. Another thing is this - and I'm a right wing pig here if you'd like to call me that - USSR as bad as it was it…

> It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues

Well, the common knowledge is wrong. We are surrounded with background radiation every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation

Re: Tsunami advisory in northern Japan after 7.1 magnitude earthquake off coast

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Post by mildtrepidation »

beachstartup wrote: post #9
LekkoscPiwa wrote: post #3

It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues. We can see how after the Fukushima this morphed into a little radiation may actually mobilize your immune system to protect the body from radiation-related illnesses like cancer. Another thing is this - and I'm a right wing pig here if you'd like to call me that - USSR as bad as it was it…

japan still denies the atrocities of ww2 against american POWs, china, phillipines, etc, etc. in fact they kind of just gloss over the whole war. compare them to germany and the contrast is stark. japan is not a cute fuzzy pet culture limited to anime and sushi. it's an insular island culture that's just as bad as anyone else in history. it's too bad it takes a full-blown nuclear disaster for people to realize this.

Wow... it's definitely not a perfect place, but it's also not the horror show you make it out to be.

More than the far right that wants to paint Japan's past in a rosier light, the problem with Japan's government is Japan's culture: They don't want to do anything without consensus from everyone, which pretty much never happens period. This is a big reason for their stagnation.

You should also be looking at the atrocity angle from a global perspective: Right now apologies and compensation are being demanded all around not because they haven't already been given (they have) or because they were insufficient (they were accepted) but because China, South Korea, and Japan all hate each other at the moment and are bickering like children, in no small part due to all three being in a nasty phase of nationalism and using territorial disputes to antagonize one another.

It's easy to denigrate just about any government, and right now current events are making it laughably simple, but that doesn't mean every accusation you hear on the news is true or even provided in context.

Re: Tsunami advisory in northern Japan after 7.1 magnitude earthquake off coast

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Post by joshuahedlund »

I got an email about this quake over an hour ago - here is the USGS link if anyone else is interested in setting up similar notifications[1]. You can set up customized magnitude ranges for customized parts of the globe, it's a pretty neat little service. Rule of thumb for context is 7.0+ happen about once a month and 8.0+ happen about once a year... I have it email me about every 7+ on the globe and I think every 3+ within a decent range of my city.

[1]https://sslearthquake.usgs.gov/ens/

Re: Tsunami advisory in northern Japan after 7.1 magnitude earthquake off coast

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Post by yk »

jlgreco wrote: post #10
LekkoscPiwa wrote: post #3

It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues. We can see how after the Fukushima this morphed into a little radiation may actually mobilize your immune system to protect the body from radiation-related illnesses like cancer. Another thing is this - and I'm a right wing pig here if you'd like to call me that - USSR as bad as it was it…

> USSR as bad as it was it took responsibility for the Charnobyl catastrophe. There was Army and the Government involvement on all levels to clear it up from day 0. In Japan years after the incident the Government is still finger pointing some CEO trying to operate that facility. To expand on this point, if Fukushima were Chernobyl and Japan the USSR, the Sarcophagus would have been completed on October 27th, of 2011…

The constraints of Fukushima and Chernobyl are vastly different. First of all, in Chernobyl the surrounding infrastructure was not destroyed. Second, they had an open reactor in Chernobyl, so it was immediately clear that they need to build a sarcophagus. By contrast in Fukushima the biggest problem is water management. And especially the management of contaminated ground water, while it is not clear that a sarcophagus would solve much, since the containment is apparently somewhat intact.

So while I think that Tepco did make horrible mistakes, I am actually not sure that the response was less than optimal. Largely because the USSR did commit similar mistakes in Chernobyl, for example not registering the liquidators.

Re: Tsunami advisory in northern Japan after 7.1 magnitude earthquake off coast

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Post by LekkoscPiwa »

antris wrote: post #11
LekkoscPiwa wrote: post #3

It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues. We can see how after the Fukushima this morphed into a little radiation may actually mobilize your immune system to protect the body from radiation-related illnesses like cancer. Another thing is this - and I'm a right wing pig here if you'd like to call me that - USSR as bad as it was it…

> It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues Well, the common knowledge is wrong . We are surrounded with background radiation every day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation

No, no, no. Don't give me that now. How came 100mSv/h used to be horrible and is just good for your health. Explain that.

Re: Tsunami advisory in northern Japan after 7.1 magnitude earthquake off coast

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Post by ori_b »

jlgreco wrote: post #10
LekkoscPiwa wrote: post #3

It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues. We can see how after the Fukushima this morphed into a little radiation may actually mobilize your immune system to protect the body from radiation-related illnesses like cancer. Another thing is this - and I'm a right wing pig here if you'd like to call me that - USSR as bad as it was it…

> USSR as bad as it was it took responsibility for the Charnobyl catastrophe. There was Army and the Government involvement on all levels to clear it up from day 0. In Japan years after the incident the Government is still finger pointing some CEO trying to operate that facility. To expand on this point, if Fukushima were Chernobyl and Japan the USSR, the Sarcophagus would have been completed on October 27th, of 2011…

If Fukushima were Chernobyl, it would have needed a sarcophagus. However, it was already designed with containment that worked, and as a result, a sarcophagus wouldn't have changed anything. In fact, building a large concrete structure over the reactor core would probably have complicated cleanup efforts by limiting access.

In effect, Fukushima already had a sarcophagus integrated into the structure of the building in 1971, 6 years before Chernobyl even started running.

Re: Tsunami advisory in northern Japan after 7.1 magnitude earthquake off coast

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Post by [deleted] »

LekkoscPiwa wrote: post #15
antris wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues Well, the common knowledge is wrong . We are surrounded with background radiation every day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation

No, no, no. Don't give me that now. How came 100mSv/h used to be horrible and is just good for your health. Explain that.

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Re: Tsunami advisory in northern Japan after 7.1 magnitude earthquake off coast

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Post by yk »

antris wrote: post #11
LekkoscPiwa wrote: post #3

It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues. We can see how after the Fukushima this morphed into a little radiation may actually mobilize your immune system to protect the body from radiation-related illnesses like cancer. Another thing is this - and I'm a right wing pig here if you'd like to call me that - USSR as bad as it was it…

> It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues Well, the common knowledge is wrong . We are surrounded with background radiation every day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation

Since I have the tab open at the moment:

    This natural background radiation is not harmless, as the effects 
    of high exposure to cosmic background radiation (e.g. by frequent 
    trans atlantic flights) or high radon levels in homes or local soil
    on cancer incidence have shown. [85, 86, 87, 88] It can be assumed 
    that a certain proportion of the 'naturally' occurring cases of cancer
    are caused by constant exposure to 'natural' background radiation
Source: IPPNW commentary on the UNSCEAR report on Fukushima, http://www.ippnw.de/commonFiles/pdfs/Atomenergie/Ausfuehrlic...

Re: Tsunami advisory in northern Japan after 7.1 magnitude earthquake off coast

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Post by mikeash »

LekkoscPiwa wrote: post #3

It is interesting that before Fukushima the common knowledge was that any amount of radiation is bad and may cause health issues. We can see how after the Fukushima this morphed into a little radiation may actually mobilize your immune system to protect the body from radiation-related illnesses like cancer. Another thing is this - and I'm a right wing pig here if you'd like to call me that - USSR as bad as it was it…

I've not seen any effect on the radiation debate from Fukushima. The people saying that small amounts of radiation are harmless or even beneficial were saying that long before Fukushima. The people who were saying any radiation is bad are still saying it.
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