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I lost years’ worth of Google Docs files because of a poor user interface

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Re: I lost years’ worth of Google Docs files because of a poor user interface

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if the files were ever synced to your computer, you might be able to recover them using software that can undelete files. Personally, I'd just use dropbox ... it's dead simple.

Google drive doesn't actually sync files, just links.

Drive actually syncs files.

The Google Docs (and Spreadsheets/Forms/etc.) native files are, however, links to online resources that are manipulated via an API, not document files in the usual sense.

Re: I lost years’ worth of Google Docs files because of a poor user interface

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post #27

Google Drive does that Dropbox does that Skydrive does that All of them have poor user interfaces?

He's not talking about general files but rather gDocs, which Dropbox and Skydrive don't really have an equivalent of.

http://i.imgur.com/mubelYa.png

The first three are only links (or pointers) the last one is an actual file. When you remove the first three from the gDrive folder Google will actually move those documents to the trash and your link becomes kinda useless, when you move the last one from the gDrive folder Google still moves the file to your trash (in gDrive) but because it's a real file, you still have it. Google does this because they don't offer a true offline viewer/editor and thus it makes no sense (to them) to take up offline space.

With dropbox all files are considered real and therefore when you remove them from dropbox you retain the file even if it's no longer synced.

While skydrive has office docs, they too are stored as real files on your computer and thus if you remove them from the skydrive folder you get to keep the file even if it's moved to the rB in skydrive.

note: (in the screenshot) those check-marks might be skydrive check-marks and not google's, this is because my gDrive folder is inside my skydrive folder for redundancy -- it still wont sync gDocs, but since I don't really use gDocs I'm okay.

Re: I lost years’ worth of Google Docs files because of a poor user interface

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I thought it was quite obvious that files created on Google Drive with their document editor were not actually copied to your computer with the Google Drive program. For a techie, perhaps. For a non-techie, that's something they're unlikely to have ever seen happen in their filesystem. Even if they opened it in Notepad, they'd probably not know the ramifications of what's shown there.

If they opened it in notepad they'd see a one-line URL, which is pretty obviously not the 5-page paper they typed. But I suppose many people wouldn't ever open it in anything other than the Drive interface, and I continue to agree it's not obvious enough for certain types of people.

A non-technical user would not think to open it in Notepad, and would likely assume the data is hidden from view but still there.

Re: I lost years’ worth of Google Docs files because of a poor user interface

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post #62
post #27

Google Drive does that Dropbox does that Skydrive does that All of them have poor user interfaces?

I have a Skydrive synced folder on my computer. Files I put in there are copied to Skydrive. If I remove a file from that folder, it is still a physical file on my computer. Google drive local "files" do not contain your data. I don't know about Dropbox.

> Google drive local "files" do not contain your data.

Google Drive local files do, in fact, contain your data, for any files that you put into Drive.

The issue is that the native files for certain web services that use the Drive interface (including Google's own Documents, Spreadsheets, etc.) are just links to content stored with the web service, not containers for the content itself.

Re: I lost years’ worth of Google Docs files because of a poor user interface

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post #84
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropbox lets you recover a file if you've deleted it recently.

Even if the trashcan is emptied?

Even better: items that have been "deleted" don't count toward your storage limit, even if they are recoverable.

Re: I lost years’ worth of Google Docs files because of a poor user interface

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post #71

There's a marketing opportunity here for Dropbox. "Dropbox, we sync all your files, not just the links to them."

Drive syncs all your files, too.

The various Google Docs, etc., web apps only put links to the real content in Drive, however.

Any file that you created with a method that would let you store it in Dropbox will be synced the same way in Drive as it would be in Dropbox, the only difference is web apps that are tied to the Drive UI that don't store their substantive content in Drive in the first place, which obviously Dropbox won't help with. (Conceptually, you could have web apps that do the same thing in Dropbox, though I don't know if the Dropbox API and Web UI have features that would make it attractive to do.)

Re: I lost years’ worth of Google Docs files because of a poor user interface

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post #89
post #82

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No, I don't believe you. By the way, I have tried now, you can just see or edit the document shared, nothing more

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You're the one making the claim that a document link shares all of your documents.

You're the one that have to prove it, until then, you're just writing bullshit

Re: I lost years’ worth of Google Docs files because of a poor user interface

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post #95
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the trashcan is emptied?

Even better: items that have been "deleted" don't count toward your storage limit, even if they are recoverable.

How can I restore a permanent deleted file? I can't find the option to do that

Re: I lost years’ worth of Google Docs files because of a poor user interface

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But how could that possibly work for a document that's edited in a browser? What file format would such a document be stored in when there's no local editor available for it?

Who knows? I don't know the internals of my Word or Pages documents. Why should anyone care what the internals of a .gdoc file look like? It could be anything. But nobody expects it to be a mere "pointer" link.

> I don't know the internals of my Word or Pages documents. [...] But nobody expects it to be a mere "pointer" link.

While Word and Excel (and plenty of other kinds of non-cloud document) files usually contain data besides links, and sometimes contain no links, they can contain content which is non-obviously (from visual inspection) provided through a link which is broken if the file is moved. And, unlike gdocs, you don't usually get a warning when you drag them out of the folder which tells you exactly what is going to happen if you do that.

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