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Dwolla launches Dwolla Credit – Real-time payments without interchange

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Re: Dwolla launches Dwolla Credit – Real-time payments without interchange

#21
I started to sign up for this to see what it was all about. It looks exactly like a credit card to me, backed by a bank. Here's the introduction to the standard terms and conditions you get with any credit card application:

> Prior to applying for a Dwolla Credit Account, Comenity Capital Bank requests your consent to provide you important information electronically.

The APR stated in my "prescreened" offer was 24.99%, which is staggering compared to my existing revolving credit accounts. There must be some subtle feature that makes this product novel, but I don't know what it is.

Re: Dwolla launches Dwolla Credit – Real-time payments without interchange

#22

The post is light on details, unfortunately. As far as I can tell, it's more similar to BillMeLater than it is to a credit card. The only other information I could find on Dwolla Credit is a support FAQ[1]. Interestingly, the credit provider is Comenity Capital Bank, which is also behind BillMeLater[2]. I still don't completely understand the difference in models between something like Dwolla Credit (or BillMeLater)…

If I had to guess, one thing that makes services like Dwolla less risky than traditional credit cards is that credit card security is built around end users keeping secret a string of numbers written on a plastic card that they hand out to random strangers on a regular basis. As a secondary fraud-prevention measure, merchants may ask you to sign a receipt that may or may not match the one on the back of your card.

To be fair, there are a number of fraud detection algorithms at play as well, but those algorithms often have wholes in them or come into play only after the fraud has occurred.

As an online service, Dwolla requires users to authenticate directly with them, where they can take steps to mitigate fraud by requiring two-factor authentication, etc. Authentication with merchants is handled via a token-based method. In addition, fraud detection may also be substantially easier because Dwolla is privacy to additional information about its users (IP address, purchase details, cookie tracking, etc.) that may not be available to traditional credit card providers. Dwolla may also be privy to additional information that allows them to assess the credit-worthiness of their customers and minimize the danger of default.

This probably doesn't totally explain how Dwolla dropped the cost of fraud detection down to a flat 25 cents (e.g. it doesn't explain why PayPal charges a percentage-based fee), but I bet it's part of the story.

Re: Dwolla launches Dwolla Credit – Real-time payments without interchange

#23

The post is light on details, unfortunately. As far as I can tell, it's more similar to BillMeLater than it is to a credit card. The only other information I could find on Dwolla Credit is a support FAQ[1]. Interestingly, the credit provider is Comenity Capital Bank, which is also behind BillMeLater[2]. I still don't completely understand the difference in models between something like Dwolla Credit (or BillMeLater)…

The bulk of the 2% goes to the bank that issued the card and they are very reluctant to give up that revenue. One big problem is cardholder affinity for rewards (airlines, cashback and such) which apply on 30-50% of processing volume and is pretty expensive.

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When Dwolla goes international this will get interesting. Until then a lot of us just shrug. That's not intended as an insult -- I just wish they'd go global already. Signed, A New Zealander.

The deliberate balkanization of all finance in fiat money will backfire big time. The dinosaurs are simply herding everybody in the direction of bitcoin, and there will be no turning back ;-)

Sure, bitcoin is free to transfer for now, but soon exchanges will have to start charging a fee.

Currently the "proof of work" kills two birds with one stone: it allows transfer of the currency and also mines new coins for the exchanges doing the transfer. But that only lasts until the 21 million cap is reached; after that, no mining, no free money for exchanges, but since someone still has to do the work ... it'll be for a fee.

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If nobody seems to be "excited" about this new "opportunity", there is only one explanation possible: bitcoin does all of that and more and better ;-)

Except that there are merchants who prefer to be paid in USD and customers who want to pay in USD.

Re: Dwolla launches Dwolla Credit – Real-time payments without interchange

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post #21

I started to sign up for this to see what it was all about. It looks exactly like a credit card to me, backed by a bank. Here's the introduction to the standard terms and conditions you get with any credit card application: > Prior to applying for a Dwolla Credit Account, Comenity Capital Bank requests your consent to provide you important information electronically. The APR stated in my "prescreened" offer was 24.99…

This is why the interchange is not going away from the marketplace - any new CC-like product w/o interchange will be more expensive for 'cardholders' than the current creditcards, simply because credit card issuers can earn their money from the interchange fees that only the merchants care about.

Re: Dwolla launches Dwolla Credit – Real-time payments without interchange

#27

The post is light on details, unfortunately. As far as I can tell, it's more similar to BillMeLater than it is to a credit card. The only other information I could find on Dwolla Credit is a support FAQ[1]. Interestingly, the credit provider is Comenity Capital Bank, which is also behind BillMeLater[2]. I still don't completely understand the difference in models between something like Dwolla Credit (or BillMeLater)…

The issuing bank gets ~2%, which it can take in profit (if there's little competition) or spend it to make sure that the customers use the branded creditcards instead of, say, Dwolla - cashbacks, marketing, lower APR's, airmiles, or whatever else. It's quite a large budget - and if you charge 25 cents from the merchant, then it's hard to compete with a creditcard that could give the customer a dollar cashback for the same purchase.

Re: Dwolla launches Dwolla Credit – Real-time payments without interchange

#30

I scrolled down and had a look at the comments on Dwolla's blog post. I was shocked to see that they're all about bitcoin!

I think they were ambushed a little by Reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1p69z7/so_this_is_w...
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