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The PC is not dead, we just don't need new ones

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Re: The PC is not dead, we just don't need new ones

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I've felt this way since I built my last desktop in 2008. I was sort-of waiting for the "gee its time to upgrade" mark to roll around in 3 or 4 years, but it hasn't happened yet. Any games I want to play it still runs very well, and it still feels very fast to me even compared to modern off-the-shelf systems. When my friends ask for laptop-buying advice I tell them if they like the keyboard and screen, then its just…

We would be better off steering into the skid. History has plenty of examples of people who've tried to hang onto the old ways 'because that's how I learned it'. The way forward isn't to try and keep cheap PCs viable for creativity's sake, but to ensure that creative desires are being met on the newer devices. Would I have learned memory management and dual booting if I'd had a tablet instead of a 386? Probably not.…

I'm not sure if you mean that the comfort of working on a tablet connected to remote virtual servers is higher than that of a single local laptop or desktop.

But if that is your final point, I very much disagree. Besides the fact that a computer keyboard and mouse are often vastly superior to the cramped peripherals you typically see connected to a tablet, large screens and user interfaces designed for large screens often have a huge ergonomic and productivity advantage over the tiny, touch centric interfaces for tablets.

Note: the previous paragraph only applies to the current state of apps for creative and engineering activities. It could be that five years from now, tablets and their software for creating content have evolved to a point where they rival or surpass desktop software. Or they might not. Either way, my point is that we're not there now, and creating software etc on tablets is a sub optimal experience today.

Re: The PC is not dead, we just don't need new ones

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Better than newer T series? I've been looking into Lenovos because the keyboard is the main differentiator I care about on a laptop.

I've typed on a T530. It was pretty good, but the removal of several keys I actually use and the relocation of others bothers me. I don't think the feel is quite as good on the T530 as on the T60, but it's still one of the best laptop keyboards.

Yes! I have an X1C and they have messed the home, del, pgup, pgdn island, and placed print screen between the right alt and ctrl. I'm tripping over the keys all the time.

How hard can it be to design keyboards with all keys in the correct place? Thinkpads used to be the only ones which got this design issue right.

Re: The PC is not dead, we just don't need new ones

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> one of them got a new laptop with 8GB of RAM, why? because she was complaining about webapps using too much memory and slowing down her previous system. I suspect a few people on HN will be reluctant to see their role in this arrangement. ducks

I can pop-up Activity Monitor any time in the day, with multiple apps open, and it's guaranteed the app using the most memory is a browser ( any browser). As a data point: Safari is using 600+MB now with just HN and GitHub open. It's using more memory than all the other apps (editor, terminal, mail, Rdio, Skype) combined. 600MB is not much by today's standards, but comparatively, is ridiculously wasteful. It's a damn…

I have 16MB, and usually have dozens of windows/tabs open in Safari, Xcode, Textmate2, and a few miscellaneous apps. Currently, Activity Monitor shows 15.9x MB used, 10.87 App, 1.26 File cache, 1.91 Wired, and 1.94 Compressed. Swap used 0 bytes, virtual memory 20.12 GB. No noticeable hesitations attributable to compressing/uncompressing when switching windows/apps.

Re: The PC is not dead, we just don't need new ones

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I've felt this way since I built my last desktop in 2008. I was sort-of waiting for the "gee its time to upgrade" mark to roll around in 3 or 4 years, but it hasn't happened yet. Any games I want to play it still runs very well, and it still feels very fast to me even compared to modern off-the-shelf systems. When my friends ask for laptop-buying advice I tell them if they like the keyboard and screen, then its just…

It's really _only_ code that is harder to create on tablets though, and it strikes me as extremely narrow-minded to write off the music, art, text, huge Minecraft sculptures, photos and videos of singing, dancing, playing, that have been gleefully created by people young and old on these devices.

It's the exact sort of snobbery that has almost completely killed art, dance, drama and music in many schools, as if the only valuable acts of creation left to humanity are engineering and science (which, incidentally, are both wonderfully served by the innumerable education apps on these locked-down, post-apocalyptic devices).

Re: The PC is not dead, we just don't need new ones

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Don't duck, it's the truth. We built really powerful computers and decided the best way to use them was to run web apps consisting of a poor performance scripting language with a poor performance visual-rendering language and half the people who build with it seem to think that anything done in a web browser is free. "Modern" CSS for even a simple site is pretty silly. So many horribly inefficient rules, sometimes do…

It's not like it's constrained to the web either. I had a bit of an epiphany about the state of desktop Windows a few years ago when for a hobby project I wrote a UI using only Win32 and C and no external dependencies. Maybe it took longer to write than it should have but I was really shocked at how the thing ran so much faster and smoother than just about any UI I was using on that machine. It dawned on me that all…

This is why I still use Winamp, nothing else comes close to dealing with playlists of thousands of items while also being fairly customisable.

Re: The PC is not dead, we just don't need new ones

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I've typed on a T530. It was pretty good, but the removal of several keys I actually use and the relocation of others bothers me. I don't think the feel is quite as good on the T530 as on the T60, but it's still one of the best laptop keyboards.

Yes! I have an X1C and they have messed the home, del, pgup, pgdn island, and placed print screen between the right alt and ctrl. I'm tripping over the keys all the time. How hard can it be to design keyboards with all keys in the correct place? Thinkpads used to be the only ones which got this design issue right.

I think Lenovo wanted increasingly large trackpads with increasingly short screens. They've mentioned in their design blog that some of the changes are driven by "consumerization".

The problem with that is Thinkpads were never meant for mainstream consumers, Lenovo isn't going to out-Apple Apple, and if it wanted to try, it would do better using a model line that doesn't have a business-oriented reputation going back decades.

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Yeah I know it's awful, if my Celeron 450Mhz could play DVDs at no effort, I don't know why this can't play videos on 5-10% CPU and not spin up the fan.

Most video encoding is mp4-type now (rather than the mp2-type used by dvds). Mp4 is typically a lot more processor intensive.

Any even vaguely modern laptop offloads mpeg 4 part 10 decoding onto a decoder chip or the GPU.

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Yes, it does. Newer CPUs have cheaper thermal paste.

You know you're allowed to use your own thermal paste right? Intel won't mind. If you plan on overclocking your CPU it's probably a good idea to get a slightly better CPU cooler than the standard one anyway.

Cheap thermal paste is under heat sink, I would have to crack open CPU with razor blade. And even after this operation 2600K is better.

Re: The PC is not dead, we just don't need new ones

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Mac mini has fans but is basically silent.

things with fans are not silent enough - the mac pro seemed ok but now it seems too noisy

I guess that's what I get for living in the city...

Re: The PC is not dead, we just don't need new ones

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Post your specs to give your post some legitimacy… I hope you didn't skimp out on your motherboard… 2010 $1000 rig running all 2013 AAA titles at the highest settings sounds unlikely to me…

My i7-875K (overclocked, but not exhaustively; my Gigabyte motherboard has an auto-overclock function that raised the multiplier without killing stability) with 16GB of RAM, entirely too many SSDs for any one person, and a Radeon HD6870 is capable of playing every new game I've bought this year ( Dishonored , Saints Row IV --I don't buy games from EA so the new title list is pretty short right now) at max settings at…

Neither Dishonered or Saints Row IV are particularly intensive games. I get in excess of 100FPS in both and my cards (GTX 670s SLI) barely hut 30-35% usage…

I don't doubt the OPs rig is powerful enough to play modern games, but I seriously question the "any modern game at highest settings" statement.

FWIW, I built a rig a great rig in 2010 which I still use from time to time. i7 920, 12GB DDR3, SSD, SLI GTX 460 2GB.

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