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The short, tormented life of computer genius Phil Katz (2000)

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Re: The short, tormented life of computer genius Phil Katz (2000)

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An interesting point of view I found via Google: http://www.esva.net/~thom/philkatz.html

This: "In a negotiated settlement he again rejected any suggestion of licensing and went for a cash-out settlement. He repaid us for most of our legal bills and promised to stop selling his program sometime in 1988. Then he fiddled with the file format a bit, renamed it from PKARC to PKZIP, and kept right on selling it. " is contradicted by this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Katz "... settlement of the lawsuit…

I didn't care about the controversy I just remember re-packing all of my files in .zip to save more space on my BBS.

Unfreezing...Melting....OOOO00000oooooo........

Re: The short, tormented life of computer genius Phil Katz (2000)

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Reading this sounds like a hit piece. I don't doubt he drank himself to death. There is an embellishment of events and the author is writing from the perspective as though they/he/she were there.

I am writing this after coming back from the bar with friends. I would actually consider myself someone who drinks too much. I have written code for years, tried and failed on over four startups. I have spent a week in a hospital for suicide and depression. I currently work a cushy job where I make great money and write code that a first year CS student could write.

This man was depressed. He tried to find outlets, self medicate, whatever the garbage we need to say about his actions that we need to say. He needed help. Rather than criticize his failures, lets make a note of how fragile our human psyches are and work towards helping one another cope with our internal battles.

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Reading this sounds like a hit piece. I don't doubt he drank himself to death. There is an embellishment of events and the author is writing from the perspective as though they/he/she were there.

I am writing this after coming back from the bar with friends. I would actually consider myself someone who drinks too much. I have written code for years, tried and failed on over four startups. I have spent a week in a hospital for suicide and depression. I currently work a cushy job where I make great money and write code that a first year CS student could write.

This man was depressed. He tried to find outlets, self medicate, whatever the garbage we need to say about his actions that we need to say. He needed help. Rather than criticize his failures, lets make a note of how fragile our human psyches are and work towards helping one another cope with our internal battles.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I had no idea the ARC source was open. IIRC, at the time PKARC and PKZIP were legendary, and the Sea guys got a bad rep from the whole situation. But reading that post and the ARC license now, it sure does look like Katz was a putz.

Exec-PC (huge BBS based in Milwaukee, WI) was full of anti-SEA propaganda in those days, which was just bizarre and I didn't understand why at the time. I also didn't realize the code was open. If only we had github in BBS form in the 90s.

Using PC Pursuit to packet switch your way to Milwaukee without a long-distance phone call.

Re: The short, tormented life of computer genius Phil Katz (2000)

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Well, a big text file isn't a documentary. Download this link for an actual documentary on the subject:

http://www.esva.net/~thom/arczip.wmv

The takeaway is that Katz optimized existing code, his mother ran the pkzip business, they defamed the arczip guys, and Katz himself died a paranoid, drunken wreck. The problem with the doc is that pretty much nobody is there to defend Katz. It's an old war, and really doesn't matter now.

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An interesting point of view I found via Google: http://www.esva.net/~thom/philkatz.html

Wow, I had no idea the ARC source was open. IIRC, at the time PKARC and PKZIP were legendary, and the Sea guys got a bad rep from the whole situation. But reading that post and the ARC license now, it sure does look like Katz was a putz.

> Wow, I had no idea the ARC source was open.

Of course, the ARC source wasn't really "open" in the sense we use the term today. Hence SEA's ability to file a lawsuit against Katz.

On the other hand, the .zip file format really was open in the sense we use the term today.

Re: The short, tormented life of computer genius Phil Katz (2000)

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In contrast to the far overused sugary definition, Phil Katz really was a rock star programmer. He also died a rock star's tragic and pathetic death.

There is probably no line between self and business for a guy like PK. At that time you could build a significant program or even a game singlehandedly. Most likely he obsessively made his better ARC program for its own reward (you could use it for free) and he was surprised both by the commercial success and the subsequent legal attack. Very personal indeed, and if he wasn't already a completely tortured soul, that would be more than enough to take away any shred of sense he had made of the world. Give enough cash and free time to someone who has been cracked like that and he quite easily can end up dead from an existential crisis with no practical boundaries.

Considering this was some 25 years ago now, if he thought about intellectual property issues at all, the mindset at that time was very reasonable in that your source code and executable was considered copyrightable like a book - it didn't matter if it provided the same functionality as someone else's program as long as you wrote the code. Just consider the fate of the original spreadsheet for confirmation of this.

To summarize, before you take any stand against the tragedy that is the life of PK, consider that there is probably a huge concentration of people very much like the early Phil Katz right here on HN. The man simply needed help, and he didn't get it.

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An interesting point of view I found via Google: http://www.esva.net/~thom/philkatz.html

> I know that seems strange these days, but back then a lot of software was distributed in source What is old is new again

You know what's peculiar? Thom Henderson wrote that after Katz's death in 2000. At what point in the last thirteen years would anyone think that distributing source code is strange?

Re: The short, tormented life of computer genius Phil Katz (2000)

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An interesting point of view I found via Google: http://www.esva.net/~thom/philkatz.html

> So now Phil Katz is dead. He drank himself to death, alone in a motel room, a bottle of booze in his hand and five empties in the room. One can only guess what drove him to such a tragic end, but it is a fitting demise for a man whose professional reputation is based entirely on a lie. > I can think of no more fitting epitath than the final clause of the original ARC copyright statement: > "If you fail to abide by…

Putting this in to context, at the time Thom had to basically go under the radar because of all the hate mail and threats he got because of the ARC / PKWare legal battle, supposedly these email threats were prompted in part by Phil himself.

It definitely doesn't make it OK to say "this person deserved to die," but I think it's worth considering it in context, as these people weren't strangers to each other and their actions both had powerful effects on one another.

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