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Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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post #282

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One of my friends is starting a programming bootcamp. He and his assistant have been calling recruiters and tech companies all over the region, cataloguing available jobs and figuring out where the demand is. Their findings: PHP and .Net. That's what the vast majority of companies they spoke to are hiring for. My point is that there's a whole world of tech outside HN.

Was the survey conducted in India, by any chance?

No, the US.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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post #282

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One of my friends is starting a programming bootcamp. He and his assistant have been calling recruiters and tech companies all over the region, cataloguing available jobs and figuring out where the demand is. Their findings: PHP and .Net. That's what the vast majority of companies they spoke to are hiring for. My point is that there's a whole world of tech outside HN.

Was the survey conducted in India, by any chance?

No. San Antonio for jobs throughout Texas.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Monster.com job listings in the US by keyword: .NET - 1000+ positions Java - 1000+ positions PHP - 454 positions Python - 295 positions Ruby - 280 positions Node.js - 55 positions Lisp, Haskell, Scheme - 0 positions

Quantity is not the same as Quality. I expect to find a larger percentage of competent programmers for the python/ruby jobs than for the .net/java jobs. Every job I've had so far seems to prove this true.

One of the best programmers I've ever known and mentor to me is a .Net guy. (I'm not a .Net developer, FYI)

There are fantastic programmers in every language and lousy programmers in every language. Just the way it is.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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post #437

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Ironically, this submission is at #8 even though it has 290 points and was submitted just 4 hours ago This is a selfpost, and selfposts are automatically penalized. I.e. it's an invalid comparison, because the #2 item is a link to a URL, whereas this post isn't. Selfposts require many more votes to keep pace with URL submissions.

Are you speculating that this is an invalid comparison or do you actually know that the only reason (or even ... primary reason) for the push-down was the fact that it was a "Ask HN" post ? I've been on HN for much longer than your 2-month old account and (based on the ranking of other "Ask HN" and "Show HN" posts I've seen), I suspect that you're speculating and that your assertion is incorrect. The huge inconsisten…

It is an invalid comparison. That isn't to say that the community doesn't punish Microsoft-related posts, but self-posts are penalized by the algorithm. Specifically, the score is multiplied by .4 if it doesn't contain a URL.

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Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Considering these flamewars typically involve at least one person who admits to being a Microsoft employee, I don't think that "false-flags flamewars" is something that we are seeing in practice.

Actually, the flamewar involved no one claiming to be an MS employee. I only commented after the submission was killed. But feel free to believe anything that reinforces your existing beliefs.

Well you are certainly participating in this one.....

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Agreed. The cry for attention from the Microsoft community is becoming a bit annoying, especially on HN.

Says the new account just created :)

803 days is 'just created'? Are people aging accounts on HN now?

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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post #163

I'll tell you the story of my friend Greg. Greg has been a believer in Microsoft. He went to all the Tech-Ed conferences, attended every MSDN event he could. Conferences are grand stages that leave an impression. He drank all the cool-aid that was served at these conferences. Things were really good early on, this was the last decade. The computing scene at that time revolved around Microsoft like the many moons of J…

> I would fault them for building their entire ecosystem with total disregard for standards, their refusal to work with whatever community existed outside.This probably wasn't intentional, they must have probably believed in what they told their developers.

No, this was very much intentional: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft#Vendor_...

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Meh, some of the tools are like vim. Hard to get started, great when you know them. It sounds to me like you are hating because you didn't spend enough time using these things.

That's what I'm getting out of pretty much this entire post. As an asp.net mvc developer by trade, I could easily say that it could take me hours/days to get stuff done in node.js/rails/django/name-your-framework, that I could otherwise get done in minutes in mvc. Of course, I'm self-aware enough to realize that it's because I have 4 consecutive years of experience with .net, but only a cumulative of maybe a few mont…

That's a reasonable thing to say, but when I could get a RoR app developed in a fraction of the same time as MVC .NET, despite being ignorant of Ruby or Rails and MVC (I knew C# a bit beforehand), it was pretty much game over, RoR won.
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