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Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by pg »

iamshs wrote: post #40

In that particular thread, I was accused of being a shill and an astroturfer by 3 members. All of the accusers had karma greater than 1500, and atleast two of them were on HN since at least 2 years. Why? Because I posted the spec list of the tablet. And I do not have allegiance to any of the tech companies at all, except having used their products one time or another. MS hate is vicious on here. I remember recoiledsn…

That article was not flagged off the frontpage. It set off the flamewar detector.

As for recoiledsnake, that is one of many accounts created by a group or individual who is either an astroturfer or indistinguishable from one. Part of his/her/their m.o. is to talk constantly about there being an anti-Microsoft conspiracy on HN. Sometimes he/she/they would use multiple, separate accounts in the same thread.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by lessnonymous »

In this thread: People getting confused over what Hacker News is.

We're not the OSDN. In fact we (as a collective group of users) are not related to the open source movement in any way. Why should MS's closed-source viewpoint matter to us? Are we not here to build businesses in the tech space?

Sometimes the right tool to use is made by Microsoft. Sometimes it's open source.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

TheLegace wrote: post #62
x0x0 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and, you know, actually relevant given the thriving ios app business and wide deployment. Unlike microsoft phones and tablets.

Exactly, I'm tired of hearing PC-esque defence of these incompetent companies. Their products have always been a bane, they suck. I remember my HTC Diamond on the original Windows Phone failure.

Then don't upvote the PC-esque articles, but why flag them?

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by auctiontheory »

Why the past tense in so many of these posts? Windows and especially Office are still an efficiency and $$ tax on businesses and consumers around the world.

I would guess that 1% of Office sales are for folks who "need" the functionality of (most likely) Excel over what is offered by OpenOffice, Google Docs, etc. All the rest are driven by the effective monopoly of the Office file system "standard."

I am happy to pay for great products, like my MBP, but these aren't great products - even after decades, Word is still a to use.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

lessnonymous wrote: post #82

In this thread: People getting confused over what Hacker News is. We're not the OSDN. In fact we (as a collective group of users) are not related to the open source movement in any way. Why should MS's closed-source viewpoint matter to us? Are we not here to build businesses in the tech space? Sometimes the right tool to use is made by Microsoft. Sometimes it's open source.

That wasn't the point: you don't have to upvote their articles to not flag them.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by shearnie »

broodbucket wrote: post #25
shearnie wrote: post #10

My startup friends and I here in Brisbane, Australia talk quite a bit about going to San Fran to "soak up the start-up vibe". I often joke about having the nerve to set up camp in a coffee shop there and whip out my Surface Pro, fire up visual studio, and sling some C# and see how quickly I'll get hated on. I do wonder, will that really happen? Honest question.

Where is the startup culture in Brisbane? I dunno where to look.

Silicon Beach is a good start. http://www.meetup.com/Silicon-Beach-Brisbane/

If you can stomach being in a Microsoft building, the Startup Masterminds group is fantastic. I go each time I can. http://www.meetup.com/StartUp-Mastermind-Groups/

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by jabits »

nikatwork wrote: post #16

I started my career working on VB apps, and ASP then ASP.NET websites, using a Windows dev box. After learning several OSS stacks, I have nothing but contempt for Microsoft technologies. I wouldn't say I hate MS - they are what they are - but I am certainly conditioned to be very suspicious of their offerings. I would never take a job working on a MS stack again, ever. I currently work for a large enterprise that use…

''The devs love it and it makes me happy.''

Not all devs. Microsoft tools have contributed to a long, successful, and enjoyable career for me, and I have yet to find an IDE as nice as VS (any contemporary version). The MS toolsets have been mostly good to work with, a few warts not withstanding.

What OSS tools and IDEs are making your devs so happy, and making their jobs better than say, VS 2012? (serious question)

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by pedalpete »

nikatwork wrote: post #16

I started my career working on VB apps, and ASP then ASP.NET websites, using a Windows dev box. After learning several OSS stacks, I have nothing but contempt for Microsoft technologies. I wouldn't say I hate MS - they are what they are - but I am certainly conditioned to be very suspicious of their offerings. I would never take a job working on a MS stack again, ever. I currently work for a large enterprise that use…

I actually come from the opposite side of you. I've always developed with opensource tools on windows machines (running VM for Ruby, but most others run just find in windows).

I really like all the consumer products by Microsoft, but never liked or got into the development stuff.

At the same time, I've tried OSX a few times (I have both a Windows and a Mac), and just never got into it as an OS.

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