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Apple Says New OS X ‘Mavericks’ Will Be Offered for Free

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Re: Apple Says New OS X ‘Mavericks’ Will Be Offered for Free

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I haven't used any Apple machine since 2004. Some HN'ers like Apple, so I've been kind of interested to see what Apple machines do that PC's don't. But I don't want to pay premium prices for iGoods.

Does this mean I can run the new OS in a VM to check out the Apple ecosystem? Or is this only free (as in beer) to people who have an existing paid license for a previous Apple operating system?

Re: Apple Says New OS X ‘Mavericks’ Will Be Offered for Free

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple still makes money selling the computers that are running free OS X Mavericks. Microsoft makes no money by giving away Windows 8.1 for free to consumers.

> Microsoft makes no money by giving away Windows 8.1 for free to consumers. Of course they make money from it. That's very naive of you to think that they don't.

I'm sure with Bing they make at least $0.25 a year per user.

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Hypothesis: Apple OS X is now knocking hard at the doors of the enterprise, and it's removing every barrier to entry except their main source of revenue, hardware costs. iWork is more than good enough for many MS Office use cases. If you work on documents that you often don't need to exchange with co-workers, then you don't really have any barriers to switching. Obviously, financial analysts with their massive models…

iWork has potential because of iPads being moved into the enterprise, the OSX release is largely irrelevant (OSX is never going to be popular in the enterprise). Since they are doing iWorks web apps now, this gives people the ability to use iPads while they're on the road and then log into the same document from their Windows Office machine.

Re: Apple Says New OS X ‘Mavericks’ Will Be Offered for Free

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post #201

I haven't used any Apple machine since 2004. Some HN'ers like Apple, so I've been kind of interested to see what Apple machines do that PC's don't. But I don't want to pay premium prices for iGoods. Does this mean I can run the new OS in a VM to check out the Apple ecosystem? Or is this only free (as in beer) to people who have an existing paid license for a previous Apple operating system?

You can't legally run an OSX VM on a non-Apple computer.

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post #101

The whole free OS which can only run upon hardware they have already sold you is reminding me of how IBM used to sell AIX and moved into giving it away free as it would only run upon hardware only they made and sold you. Question is though, what about support. You have a 3 year old Mac of some flavour and upgrade to this OS, what about issues you may have. ANother aspect would be that by in effect making this level o…

I think that it's most likely they want everyone on the latest OSX for the same reasons that it's good to have everyone on the latest iOS. Whatever they're planning, getting everyone on board is obviously an important part of that. I think the biggest thing over the last two keynotes is the iWork update - MS have been ridicuslously slow in the one area they could have won, which was bringing Office to iOS. I'm pretty…

>Whatever they're planning

You just wait...

Re: Apple Says New OS X ‘Mavericks’ Will Be Offered for Free

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post #204
post #201

I haven't used any Apple machine since 2004. Some HN'ers like Apple, so I've been kind of interested to see what Apple machines do that PC's don't. But I don't want to pay premium prices for iGoods. Does this mean I can run the new OS in a VM to check out the Apple ecosystem? Or is this only free (as in beer) to people who have an existing paid license for a previous Apple operating system?

You can't legally run an OSX VM on a non-Apple computer.

FYI:

http://www.lockergnome.com/osx/2012/02/24/are-hackintosh-com...

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post #201

I haven't used any Apple machine since 2004. Some HN'ers like Apple, so I've been kind of interested to see what Apple machines do that PC's don't. But I don't want to pay premium prices for iGoods. Does this mean I can run the new OS in a VM to check out the Apple ecosystem? Or is this only free (as in beer) to people who have an existing paid license for a previous Apple operating system?

You don't need to have an existing paid license(1), but you do need to run it on Apple Mac hardware. Non-Apple hardware and VMs are not supported, don't work without some significant hacking and are forbidden by EULA.

(1) Practically speaking if you have a machine capable of running this legally, you also have an existing paid license for MacOS, so this is mostly a theoretical difference.

Re: Apple Says New OS X ‘Mavericks’ Will Be Offered for Free

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can: I upgraded my Mountain Lion test machine to Mavericks when DP1 landed and created a Parallels virtual machine for Mountain Lion. However, I found—at least with Parallels—you can't just take an existing hard drive image and use that: you have to create a new virtual machine, install Mountain Lion from scratch on it, then use OS X's Migration Assistant to move everything over.

Thanks. My Mac came with Mountain lion pre-installed; where can I find install media to install ML into parallels?

You'll need to re-download it from the App Store (it should automatically be flagged as purchased, though, so you shouldn't need to re-buy it: just check the "Purchases" tab).

It'll download as an application: "Install Mac OS X Mountain Lion.app". If the installer automatically launches, just quit out of it. Right-click on the application, select "Show package contents", then navigate to Contents/SharedSupport. In there, you'll see "InstalESD.dmg": that's the Mountain Lion image.

You should be able to use that image directly in Parallels et al, but if you really wanted physical media, you can burn that image to a disc or create a bootable flash drive using Disk Utility. If you go the flash drive route, you'll need to use the GUID partition table.

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post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually because of patents royalties Microsoft gets more money from Android than Windows Phone. Every sold Android phone is putting few bucks in MS pocket.

Can you cite any sources for this?

Here are a couple (I only took a quick glance), as many articles pop up with a search:

http://www.itworld.com/open-source/372628/microsoft-makes-bi...

http://allthingsd.com/20130718/microsofts-making-more-money-...

Re: Apple Says New OS X ‘Mavericks’ Will Be Offered for Free

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So can we now file a class action suit for all those times they told us it would be illegal to not charge a fee for upgrading?

No. FASB changed revenue recognition principles in 2010 to allow this type of update.

Wow, great response! I was wondering when someone was going to bring that up.
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