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Re: Bitcoin breaks $200

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The fact that the Gox gap is closing makes me suspect that a lot of this rise is coming from new money. I'm guessing few new Bitcoin purchasers are buying through Mt. Gox, which is driving the price up on other exchanges, and closing the gap due to Gox's illiquidity.

> a lot of this rise is coming from new money.

Speculation, but could some of the new money be coming from CryptoLocker[0]?

[0] http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/cryptolocker-r...

Re: Bitcoin breaks $200

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I came here to bitch that the inflated MtGox price doesn't count... Then I realized that is the non-MtGox price... So it's officially a bubble? sigh

On a related note, ever heard of the bubble theory of money? The theory goes, that good money is essentially a bubble that can't be popped easily. People compare Bitcoin to the tulip mania, but that is a wrong analogy, given that tulips can be cultivated by anyone to any degree -- whereas Bitcoins are capped by design.

Tulip mania involved surprisingly few tulips! The primary instrument being traded was what we would now call a tulip futures contract. It seems like a silly thing, but we currently favor units of sovereign debt (or, if you prefer, units of the future ability of the government to tax its citizens).

Re: Bitcoin breaks $200

#33
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a related note, ever heard of the bubble theory of money? The theory goes, that good money is essentially a bubble that can't be popped easily. People compare Bitcoin to the tulip mania, but that is a wrong analogy, given that tulips can be cultivated by anyone to any degree -- whereas Bitcoins are capped by design.

. . . but the quantity of all crypto-currencies is unlimited.

There will only ever be 21 million bitcoins. I recommend giving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin a read.

Re: Bitcoin breaks $200

#34
post #5

The fact that the Gox gap is closing makes me suspect that a lot of this rise is coming from new money. I'm guessing few new Bitcoin purchasers are buying through Mt. Gox, which is driving the price up on other exchanges, and closing the gap due to Gox's illiquidity.

Check the exchange volume distribution chart: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/

Looks like Mt. Gox no longer has such a huge share of the market. Bitstamp is almost even with them.

Re: Bitcoin breaks $200

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What stops someone from creating their own Bitcoin alternative? Many such systems exist.

The fact that small number of people use it. They will be not a real alternative unless they have some better features than Bitcoin itself.

In other words, there is no particular technical or legal feature of Bitcoin to differentiate it from another system. Bitcoin just happens to be the most popular and receive the most press.

If you cannot identify a particular, distinguishing feature of Bitcoin that accounts for its popularity, why should we believe that this is not a bubble?

Re: Bitcoin breaks $200

#36
If anything to like about Bitcoin is that it has proved that almost everyone else is wrong.

* SilkRoad shutting down? Bitcoin is doomed.

* Mt.gox is not paying in time or at all? Bitcoin doesn't work.

* Asics? There will be a flood of new coins.

And yet Bitcoin value continue to raise. If history repeats itself, we should see 1 Bitcoin levels at around $2,000.

I think Bitcoin is an interesting phenomena to watch. Being too solid for the quakes that it got, means it's going to stay for a longer period.

I'll be just watching, meanwhile.

Re: Bitcoin breaks $200

#37
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a related note, ever heard of the bubble theory of money? The theory goes, that good money is essentially a bubble that can't be popped easily. People compare Bitcoin to the tulip mania, but that is a wrong analogy, given that tulips can be cultivated by anyone to any degree -- whereas Bitcoins are capped by design.

Tulips and gold also don't have built in rock solid transaction protocols

Rock solid? A system that requires vast and increasing amounts of the world's energy to be devoted to it just to achieve a vague notion of security? A system that can be attacked in polynomial time (but let's just say that is not a problem; after all, we never defined security in a way to preclude such things!)? That is your definition of "rock solid?"

Re: Bitcoin breaks $200

#38
post #5

The fact that the Gox gap is closing makes me suspect that a lot of this rise is coming from new money. I'm guessing few new Bitcoin purchasers are buying through Mt. Gox, which is driving the price up on other exchanges, and closing the gap due to Gox's illiquidity.

> a lot of this rise is coming from new money. Speculation, but could some of the new money be coming from CryptoLocker[0]? [0] http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/cryptolocker-r...

yes, absolutely, it's actually quite likely considering it's a very thinly traded currency.

Re: Bitcoin breaks $200

#39
post #5

The fact that the Gox gap is closing makes me suspect that a lot of this rise is coming from new money. I'm guessing few new Bitcoin purchasers are buying through Mt. Gox, which is driving the price up on other exchanges, and closing the gap due to Gox's illiquidity.

> new money

I'd love to see that carefully defined.

Re: Bitcoin breaks $200

#40
I'd never heard of SilkRoad until the heightened media coverage of the bust, nor had I ever purchased a Bitcoin. I always assumed that there were black markets online, but never invested the time to discover them. Since the bust, I've discovered new black marketplaces and purchased Bitcoins to purchase illicit drugs.

It's completely anecdotal, but I'd assume that there are a number of other people like me who might be contributing new money to the Bitcoin market.

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