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Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by nostrademons »

threeseed wrote: post #75
LeonidasXIV wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Too many older people, no longer working, who need care or support and not enough younger people to provide it. But this will be a trend that autocorrects itself after some time, as less elder people will be there in the future. Also, the younger people if both working will create more prosperity than being married with one working and the other one staying at home. In the short term this sounds bad, but long term…

Sorry but you're completely wrong on this. The problem is that people in general are living longer but the retirement age is staying roughly the same. So as time goes on you have a higher percentage of the people who aren't working but yet consuming public resources. In the short term it is bad. In the long term it is devastating. Which is why every developed country is aggressively increasing the immigration rate to…

Be wary of extrapolation. As more of the economy gets concentrated in knowledge industries, it's likely that more and more people will just keep working until they die.

My mom's been "retired" for almost a decade now. She's had 2 part-time jobs and usually a volunteer gig too for nearly the entire time.

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Post by rhytha »

alinajaf wrote: post #104

Very interesting article, multiple points to make: If living and being in Japan has taught me anything, it's that generalising from anecdote is not a good idea. Case in point, if you visit an outlet mall a few miles outside of central Sendai on a weekend, you'd have a lot of trouble convincing anyone that Japanese people aren't making enough babies. It was very, very difficult to spot single people, or even couples w…

afaik, mendokusai = messy. But Japanese language is context base, so you can use same words for multiple situations.

Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by victorhooi »

UUMMUU wrote: post #235

I like it how they're trying to "fix" the population decline. A population decline might actually be a good thing for our species. There are too many people and an ever increasing sense of stupidity

Well, yes, until you actually think it through, and realise that this also means your population is aging...

Basically, you have a bunch of old people around, and nobody to support them, or fuel the society.

And after a certain point, you can't reverse it, and you no longer have a viable society.

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Post by amercade »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #165
camus2 wrote: post #100

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Yeah but it's because you get a lot of welfare when you have babies in France,especially when you have 3 or more. Stop giving these freebies and fertility rates will drop in no time. The question is , should we encourage it? in the long run ,it doesnt make sense. We often hear on the radio here how Germans dont make babies anymore and it will doom Germany. I dont think so, one country doesnt need perpetual population…

"doesnt need perpetual population growth" It's no longer about growth, it's about decline now. Can a country with perpetually declining and aging population survive? In what form?

I don't think than "perpetual" is going to happen to any trend.

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Post by alinajaf »

rhytha wrote: post #272
alinajaf wrote: post #104

Very interesting article, multiple points to make: If living and being in Japan has taught me anything, it's that generalising from anecdote is not a good idea. Case in point, if you visit an outlet mall a few miles outside of central Sendai on a weekend, you'd have a lot of trouble convincing anyone that Japanese people aren't making enough babies. It was very, very difficult to spot single people, or even couples w…

afaik, mendokusai = messy. But Japanese language is context base, so you can use same words for multiple situations.

From jisho.org[1]: 面倒くさい - bother(some) to do; tiresome

Also the word 面倒 translates to trouble, difficulty; care; attention;, so that with +くさい would make it troublesome.

I've not heard it being used for messy, unless perhaps you mean messy as in a messy situation (rather than say, a messy room).

[1]: http://jisho.org/words?jap=%E9%9D%A2%E5%80%92%E3%81%8F%E3%81...

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Post by jessaustin »

philwelch wrote: post #239
ivix wrote: post #232

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That's not racism, that's politics. Would you say British anti German morale posters are racist?

Did British anti-German propaganda posters have racist caricatures of German people?

There were caricatures, but asking whether they were racist is rather begging the question.

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Post by speeder »

nostrademons wrote: post #270
speeder wrote: post #223

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You people are forgetting feminism. It has lots to do with it. Brazil for example has PLENTY of space and cheap places to live (unless you want to live in São Paulo... like where I am now, the prices here ARE fucked up) Yet marriages are going down to the point of scare the government too. The reason for it is simple (there has been lots of research, not only here, but on other countries with declining births to dang…

I'm pretty skeptical of your claim that the point of marriage historically was to force women to stay in the marriage. Evolutionary sociobiology holds the opposite: that marriage evolved to get men to stick around. A woman already has an evolutionary incentive to provide for her offspring: she's invested far more in them (having provided the egg and nurtured them inside her for 9 months) than her partner has. A man's…

Women are hipergamous, they stay only with one person at time, but they switch to what they perceive as better ones. Most divorces are early in the marriage, when the woman is still young enough to have her first kids, or more kids beyond her first or second kid, and thus they can still find another man. Also there is research that found out that divorce rates drop when a woman has male children ( but not female, and noone knows why )

Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by philwelch »

jessaustin wrote: post #276
philwelch wrote: post #239

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Did British anti-German propaganda posters have racist caricatures of German people?

There were caricatures, but asking whether they were racist is rather begging the question.

Credit for using "begging the question" properly, but let me clarify. Propaganda against the Germans was either aimed squarely at Hitler himself or at more abstract representations that didn't emphasize the frankly non-existent physical differences between Germans and Americans. Germans were portrayed with swastikas and Prussian helmets and jackboots; Japanese were portrayed with buck teeth, yellow skin, glasses and slanted eyes.

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Post by jmadsen »

threeseed wrote: post #79
jmadsen wrote: post #65

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Yes, but "the short term" is long enough to cause considerable pain to the current younger, working generations

The worst thing is that in places like Japan especially housing availability is a real problem. Which means you will have young people being forced to live with their parents well into their 20s. And what happens when you have young people living with their parents ? Far less opportunities for sex.

I think you don't actually know much first-hand about Japan:

1) Housing vacancy - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-17/vacant-japan-homes-...

2) We have something here called "Love Hotels" - you rent them by the hour or half-day, and they are EVERYWHERE

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