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How to attract girls to the tech industry

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Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

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> Mrs Lovelace was coding in an age when even few men were It's even better than that. Ada was coding before there were COMPUTERS. Also see Bret Victor's rant on creating the future: "In 1968 — three years before the invention of the microprocessor — Alan Kay stumbled across Don Bitzer's early flat-panel display. Its resolution was 16 pixels by 16 pixels — an impressive improvement over their earlier 4 pixel by 4 pix…

Your link is worthy of its own submission. Found it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6325996

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

#32
This stuff infuriates me.

> But then last year I spoke at a conference and I heard that the numbers of women in technology was in decline and I thought, 'That isn't right.'

It is not right nor wrong! It just is. To make a statement like this is to give legitimacy to the idea that the equipment you've got tucked between your thighs is in some way relevant to your ability to do the job. Who cares? Just do the damn job and if you encounter some closed-minded fool who thinks your sex lessens you, then beat them down with logic.

Trying to kludge the world into fitting your own little vision of how it should be is a recipe for misery.

> Technology is at the forefront of the economy and women have a vital role to play. When my daughters are born I don't want them to feel like the odd ones out.

Then teach them how to thrive in the face of adversity. God knows they'll find it useful.

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

#33

When the article tries to deal with Lovelace: > Ada Lovelace was coding in a time when few men did Really? Even such an obtuse statement indicates a complete ignorance of what she did weakening further any point they have to make. Not helped by the fact they have not indicated the IT interests and acomplishments of the girl whom is the subject of the article. Some of the worst (Male) employees we have ever hired as d…

"Applications of statistics in this area fail to illuminate but at all any useful causal link." - if you're relying on statistics to show things in this area you're missing the complexity of the situation which a more interpretative account may be able to find meaning in. Statistics is not the be all and end all.

You may be bored/fed up/whatever by it but many women (and men) in tech aren't - and nor should we be. It's a highly socially constructed issue that is endemic in our society and not present in others. If you think it's about suppressing ability then you obviously have absolutely no idea about the challenges of getting women into tech.

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

#34
I'll propose a theory which will probably not be very popular, that IT jobs are one of the few "male" support jobs that are marginally socially acceptable, causing intense demand for them by men and crowding out the women who have other opportunities.

If a woman wants a low status / long hours / behind the scenes / support career there are a variety of socially acceptable job fields to enter. Secretary, nurse, day care worker, elementary school teacher, social worker... If a guy wants a similar job there is what, a small amount of jobs ending in -tech like large diesel engine tech aka mechanic, which are rapidly technologizing anyway into "IT plus some grease" and of course IT. And thats about it. So the girls can do anything including IT, but all the guys are stuck in IT.

I would theorize that if you made male nurses, male day care workers, male social workers more socially acceptable, the logjam of male IT workers would decline and you'd approach 50:50 both inside and outside IT.

If every frustrated male nurse / male secretary / male schoolteacher crowds into the IT classes, its going to overwhelm the small number of female exclusively IT students.

I may be off on the root causes but I think I'm onto something with the mechanism of male concentration. Maybe the root cause is a desire to enter an extremely agism oriented field, or a desire for the drama of always being on call and only being visible during disasters sort of a policeman/fireman job for nonathletic people.

Maybe rephrased the general wider class of humans that might like IT or a related field, is sorted by sex such that all the guys get stuck in IT but the women are free to choose, so "naturally" the concentration of maleness in IT is very high in IT and low in other related fields.

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

#35
post #30

Lets attract girls to construction and building jobs, and attract men to nursing and child care jobs as well. What can we do about that? These issues go hand in hand, they are the same. In my opinion it is bad taste to focus only on the tech industry. Go all in or go home.

And perhaps over on the "nursing news" website they are actually doing this. We're in tech. Let's sort our own back yards out before pointing fingers at others'.

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

#36

The title is actually Why tech needs a makeover to attract girls but the article doesn't say why. Technology is at the forefront of the economy and women have a vital role to play feels rather empty. And while I'm sure Brazil and India can offer insights and be on the forefront of improving policies, those are not really very enticing models to emulate. Let's be honest, women in India work in IT to get ahead because…

I am actually of the opinion that as the software industry matures, and in particular as the open source software industry matures, women will find that operating in the industry as a free agent is an ideal situation.

In short, I think the market is a much larger problem than anything else. It will happen, though.

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

#37

> Mrs Lovelace was coding in an age when even few men were It's even better than that. Ada was coding before there were COMPUTERS. Also see Bret Victor's rant on creating the future: "In 1968 — three years before the invention of the microprocessor — Alan Kay stumbled across Don Bitzer's early flat-panel display. Its resolution was 16 pixels by 16 pixels — an impressive improvement over their earlier 4 pixel by 4 pix…

True. I'd say "Mrs Lovelace was coding before any men were".

She was first. coder. ever.

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

#38

When the article tries to deal with Lovelace: > Ada Lovelace was coding in a time when few men did Really? Even such an obtuse statement indicates a complete ignorance of what she did weakening further any point they have to make. Not helped by the fact they have not indicated the IT interests and acomplishments of the girl whom is the subject of the article. Some of the worst (Male) employees we have ever hired as d…

You employed IT grads? I haven't seen one for years. Or do you mean that you've employed CS grads only to find out their IT skills are poor?

Apologies, I meant CS of course.
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