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Apple Patent on Touch Typing, Multitouch Upheld; Allows Ban on Most Androids

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Re: Apple Patent on Touch Typing, Multitouch Upheld; Allows Ban on Most Androids

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This just shows how bad the state of the US Patent Industry is, were instead of making a better product, it's easier to hamstring a competing company.

If the patent is upheld, and Apple, having the hate it does for Android tries and bans Android Phones, then in the end, all it does is hurt the users who want a decent alternative to Apple Products. People expect multi-touch on their phones, and non-physical keyboards. I can just see my mom asking me why her new android phone doesn't swipe to scroll because her last phone did.

Such a shame.

Re: Apple Patent on Touch Typing, Multitouch Upheld; Allows Ban on Most Androids

#23
This just shows how bad the state of the US Patent Industry is, were instead of making a better product, it's easier to hamstring a competing company.

If the patent is upheld, and Apple, having the hate it does for Android tries and bans Android Phones, then in the end, all it does is hurt the users who want a decent alternative to Apple Products. People expect multi-touch on their phones, and non-physical keyboards. I can just see my mom asking me why her new android phone doesn't swipe to scroll because her last phone did.

Such a shame.

Re: Apple Patent on Touch Typing, Multitouch Upheld; Allows Ban on Most Androids

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Exactly why screwed up big time?

Because it seems Android is becoming a risky "enterprise" for OEMs, after the MSFT tax on Android, OEMs are not willing to pay an Apple tax. Google should have cleared any potential issue, but they are too bold. They tried when they bought Motorola but this strategy is not working that well.

And how they can clear any potential issue?

Re: Apple Patent on Touch Typing, Multitouch Upheld; Allows Ban on Most Androids

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Software patents shouldn't exist

Hardware patents shouldn't exist. Business method patents shouldn't exist. Drug patents shouldn't exist. Gene patents shouldn't exist. All patents are bad.

My opinions on patents are still evolving, but I tend to see drug patents as a good thing that needs reform. I know it's a bit of a tangent, but would someone mind explaining a little?

My main concern is that we can't expect anyone to invest m/billions in necessary drug research if they can be copied the instant the drug shows success. The R&D cost per new drug brought to market is often between 1-12 billion.[1] Even on the low end, that's more than the TOTAL US government's budget for health R&D.[2] Who is going to do this research?

[1] http://lillypad.lilly.com/entry.php?id=1583 [2] http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ost...

Re: Apple Patent on Touch Typing, Multitouch Upheld; Allows Ban on Most Androids

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Ugh, no. Yes the patent was upheld. Yes, all the claims survived intact. No, the claims are not on "touch typing, multitouch"; they cover a very specific use of a heuristic to differentiate between scrolling and panning. No, it's very unlikely that it will allow "ban on most Android" devices. I think Samsung (and probably most Android vendors) have already worked around the claims. As with all tech media discussion a…

Exactly. Furthermore, the claims are not limited to 'capacitive touch' screens and could in fact apply to gestures on any touch screen system, so a large part of the article is pointless and wrong.

Re: Apple Patent on Touch Typing, Multitouch Upheld; Allows Ban on Most Androids

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please understand what prior art means before talking about it again. And Apple acquired these patents from Fingerworks who predated Microsoft Surface by nearly a decade.

That patents has nothing to do with Fingerworks.

I highly doubt that. I have a FingerWorks Touchstream LP that (while I don't use it anymore) was performing the same exact gestures we all recognize as "swipes" on capacitive touchscreen phones/tablets. As evidence I point you to the founder's dissertation on the topic from 1999: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~westerma/main.pdf

The only difference between how it worked on a Touchstream LP and a modern capacitive touchscreen is that the trouchscreen has a "screen". Other than that they're absolutely identical.

Actually, the Touchstream LP had capabilities that exceed today's capacitive touchscreens. For example, it supports ten-finger chording and could recognize which finger was which. So if I pressed my index and middle fingers (say, with both hands) in a certain region of the keyboard it would recognize that and send whatever pre-programmed sequence of keystrokes or mouse movements I wanted.

It was awesome technology! It only had one (big) flaw though: No tactile feedback.

You take it for granted but the "click" you feel when you press a key on your keyboard is very, very important to typing quickly and efficiently. Without it you have to constantly ensure your hands & fingers in properly positioned. This is why autocorrect is so important with software keyboards (if you're tapping instead of swiping). Without it--if you tried to type really quickly without thinking about what is actually being output from the IME--you'll end up with typos all over the place.

Another thing we take for granted is the ability to "feel" a key as we press it. On a capacitive touch surface there's no way to do that without accidentally typing that key. This is why I have high hopes for that technology that produces little bubbles on top of touchscreens on-demand to provide tactile feedback as to key locations.

So that is the reason why I eventually gave up on using the Touchstream LP. While it was the greatest mousing device I've ever used (and I've used HUNDREDS) it was not that great of a keyboard. I'd be happy to use it day-to-day for typing up English words and sentences but it was just too error-prone to use in a bash shell or for programming. Even with the "programmer pad" feature (which let you enter keys like braces, brackets, parens, etc using handy gestures) it still resulted in too many typing mistakes--even after training myself and using it regularly for a year.

Re: Apple Patent on Touch Typing, Multitouch Upheld; Allows Ban on Most Androids

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I swear every time I read one of those articles I die a little bit. I can't begin to apprehend the emptiness inside [insert patent trolling company] lawyers' souls after a day at work.

Not sure this is much to do with companies patent trolling. Apple developed the tech and use it, that's pretty different. You can disagree with the specific patent (and I think in this case there's a pretty good case for that) or with patents in general, but this isn't, by my understanding of the term, patent trolling.

The patents are disclosure in exchange for state granted monopoly. Or they should be - you do something amazing. No one can figure out how to do it - you tell them and they cannot use the tech for X years.

But right now people patent the end result. That is wrong.

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