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Re: Facts about Google and Competition

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post #36

The whole 'algorithms do the ranking' thing is a misdirection. Algorithms do of course rank pages, but they do so according to criteria chosen by humans employed by Google. Google absolutely chooses which pages rank highly and which do not according to their own subjective human judgement, applied by machine. It is disingenuous of them to pretend otherwise.

While I wont speak for gibwell, I'm interpreting what is saying that Google do set the criteria of what metrics deem a higher or lower ranking page. For example: - More time users spend on a page indicates it's more relevant - More high quality inbound links indicates higher quality content - Content seen as spammy are considered can lower page rank The fact is that Google don't discriminate based on the rules they s…

What worries me more is that Google is increasingly choosing to put brands at the top of the search results.

Don't get me wrong, if I'm looking for the Apple website, I should absolutely get Apple.com first in Google, and not a medium-sized blog talking about Apple. So relevancy should matter most.

However, I fear that they are ranking bigger sites and bigger brands above more relevant posts from medium-sized, sites, too. And that I don't like. Give the little guy a chance, especially if his post is of higher quality.

And no I don't think that if the big site's post gets retweeted 100 times and the medium-sized' post gets retweeted 10 times, it should matter much, because resharing is just a side-effect of being big and having a big audience, and I think it's less about the "quality" of the post.

Google ends up promoting bigger and bigger sites at the top, while downranking the smaller ones, who are impacted negatively by a lot of factors (smaller age, fewer backlinks, fewer reshares, etc).

So I guess my point is, on-page "performance" (for lack of a better word) should always count more than off-page performance.

Re: Facts about Google and Competition

#52
I've been trying to ween myself off search engines, and rather search directly from within specific websites:

Wikipedia - general information

StackOverflow - programming

IMDB - actors/movies

etc...

Obviously finding those websites in the 1st place requires a search engine or index of some kind, but I'm getting faster results going directly to the source :)

Re: Facts about Google and Competition

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I wont speak for gibwell, I'm interpreting what is saying that Google do set the criteria of what metrics deem a higher or lower ranking page. For example: - More time users spend on a page indicates it's more relevant - More high quality inbound links indicates higher quality content - Content seen as spammy are considered can lower page rank The fact is that Google don't discriminate based on the rules they s…

What worries me more is that Google is increasingly choosing to put brands at the top of the search results. Don't get me wrong, if I'm looking for the Apple website, I should absolutely get Apple.com first in Google, and not a medium-sized blog talking about Apple. So relevancy should matter most. However, I fear that they are ranking bigger sites and bigger brands above more relevant posts from medium-sized, sites,…

This is just a power law applied to the distribution of inbound links. As time progresses, the gap widens.

Moreover, very frequently a little guy has content on bigger sites and enjoys traffic from being integrated into the bigger site ecosystem. Reasoning about search engine result pages is hard because it is a very complex system with multiple various parameters that are factored in.

Re: Facts about Google and Competition

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post #47

I feel Google will get replaced soon. The fact that search is getting more personalised is hurting me more than anything else. We dont get unbiased results. The User experience will definitely die down with this !!!

Think out of the box: you most certainly WANT personalised result. What you don't want is biased news

Re: Facts about Google and Competition

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Google Search is broken. Even Verbatim search starts to look fishy. Search for 'engine oil' and you will find 'health benefits from using fish oil'. I'm tired.

Interesting, I searched for "engine oil" and I don't get anything about fish oil in 5 first pages of results. First two hits are the most relevant as well - wikipedia entries.

Just a poor hyperbole, yet I don't believe you haven't seen these issues before. Just looking now to fix a Wordpress site that a cheap developer left us without any documentation. Search for "wordpress schema explorer", results: Outlook Web Access 2003 doesn't work with Internet Explorer 10 Some SOQL and Salesforce results (can you even turn off personalisation?) Crystal Reports 2008 Database Explorer Doesn't Show All Schemas

Verbatim results: visual studio 2008 - How do you open XML Schema Explorer - Stack ...

There is a single mention of Wordpress in that page: at the page footer.

Also, how about inability to filter by date AND verbatim results?

Re: Facts about Google and Competition

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post #39

"For every search query performed on Google, whether it’s [hotels in Tulsa] or [New York Yankees scores], there are thousands, if not millions of web pages with helpful information." True. But there is exactly one Trade Winds Central Inn in Tulsa. If I look for [hotels in Tulsa] right now, the name of that inn is prominently displayed in the "Hotels in Tulsa on Google" box. Clicking the name will lead not to a page a…

If you're looking for "hotels in Tulsa", you almost certainly want to book a hotel. Hotel booking sites seems like good search results.

If you're looking for "Trade Winds Central Inn in Tulsa", the first result, after one ad, is www.tradewindstulsa.com/.

Yes, Google displays a lot of ads sometimes. But those sometimes are almost always when you are looking to purchase something, and Google works hard to make sure those ads are things you're interested in purchasing.

Re: Facts about Google and Competition

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post #54

Google Search is broken. Even Verbatim search starts to look fishy. Search for 'engine oil' and you will find 'health benefits from using fish oil'. I'm tired.

Anecdotal example of broken queries != broken search.

Especially when the query is easily verifiable as "not broken". It makes me suspect this person's ability to keep accurate statistics.

Re: Facts about Google and Competition

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just tested Samuru vs. Google with the query: speed of the iss I think Google clearly won in this case.

> I just tested Samuru vs. Google with the query: why is grass green? Samuru clearly won in this case

They both appear to have relevant results.
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