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The Strava Files

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Re: The Strava Files

#11
Flagging is insufficient for safety.

In my area there are continual "flag wars" where a descent will be flagged, so someone will create a new version with a name like "xxxx (do not flag)"

Arguments quickly flow over to local forums about flagging with the predictable discussion of individual rights vs Strava's responsibility.

In my view they should just auto-flag anything over 2 or 3% average descent.

Re: The Strava Files

#12
post #11

Flagging is insufficient for safety. In my area there are continual "flag wars" where a descent will be flagged, so someone will create a new version with a name like "xxxx (do not flag)" Arguments quickly flow over to local forums about flagging with the predictable discussion of individual rights vs Strava's responsibility. In my view they should just auto-flag anything over 2 or 3% average descent.

Flagging should be reserved for ill-made segments that go through stop signs. One man's flag-worthy segment is another man's easy descent (and QoMs).

Re: The Strava Files

#13
post #5

I use Strava all the time. As a cat 1 racer it makes it fun to set KOMs and "race" against the elite in the state. That being said I think Strava needs to have a way to limit the Downhill segments. Some downhill segments where I live, utah, are outrageous with top speeds of 70mph. While I'm a Strong advocate for the segments I wish people would stop making downhill segments as they're far too dangerous. If I ever do…

>That being said I think Strava needs to have a way to limit the Downhill segments

how about just taking a bit of personal responsibility? if a downhill segment is too dangerous, don't do it. blaming an app when you crash is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard of. I don't see how strava has any responsibility to do anything.

Re: The Strava Files

#14
post #5

I use Strava all the time. As a cat 1 racer it makes it fun to set KOMs and "race" against the elite in the state. That being said I think Strava needs to have a way to limit the Downhill segments. Some downhill segments where I live, utah, are outrageous with top speeds of 70mph. While I'm a Strong advocate for the segments I wish people would stop making downhill segments as they're far too dangerous. If I ever do…

Why flag it? We have flagging problems locally (one individual) on segments that are in no way dangerous. Dangerous for you may not be dangerous for someone else. Just because the segment is there, it doesn't mean everyone has to go for it.

> Dangerous for you may not be dangerous for someone else

He said in his comment that he's a cat 1 racer. I'm willing to bet if something's unsafe for him, it'd be unsafe for any strava user.

Re: The Strava Files

#15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why flag it? We have flagging problems locally (one individual) on segments that are in no way dangerous. Dangerous for you may not be dangerous for someone else. Just because the segment is there, it doesn't mean everyone has to go for it.

> Dangerous for you may not be dangerous for someone else He said in his comment that he's a cat 1 racer. I'm willing to bet if something's unsafe for him, it'd be unsafe for any strava user.

Not knocking him, but we have non-pro locals who are better descenders than Cat 1. Not everyone is an awesome descender. Also, who's to say an 18% descent segment is any less dangerous than a 3% descent being ridden by beginners going after a segment?

Re: The Strava Files

#16
post #7

I wanted to read this article -- I bike frequently, use Strava, live in the Bay Area, and am in the tech industry. But bicycling.com kept kicking me off their site and auto-launching iOS App Store links! I've never seen that sort of advertising before, and am surprised Apple / Google (I'm using Chrome) even allow JavaScript to silently throw me out to the App Store without clicking a link.

This was happening to me too (Safari on iOS). I'm not sure of the mechanism. I assumed there was some ad I wasn't seeing before clicking on it.

Re: The Strava Files

#17
post #5

I use Strava all the time. As a cat 1 racer it makes it fun to set KOMs and "race" against the elite in the state. That being said I think Strava needs to have a way to limit the Downhill segments. Some downhill segments where I live, utah, are outrageous with top speeds of 70mph. While I'm a Strong advocate for the segments I wish people would stop making downhill segments as they're far too dangerous. If I ever do…

>That being said I think Strava needs to have a way to limit the Downhill segments how about just taking a bit of personal responsibility? if a downhill segment is too dangerous, don't do it. blaming an app when you crash is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard of. I don't see how strava has any responsibility to do anything.

Not a Strava user - but the mention of 70mph winning speeds, makes me think that Strava should eliminate segments from their database where in order to win you need to violate the speed limit. As a baseline they should not be encouraging people to break the law.

It's not just the user of the program that should be taking personal responsibility, but the coders as well.

Re: The Strava Files

#19
I thought that the primary use of most roads is to provide transport and access, and only as a sort of side effect they are available as a means of sport and entertainment. So, regardless of whether one is driving a car or riding a bicycle, putting lives at risk is not only illegal, but also breaks the social contract that let those roads exist in the first place. It is a form of free riding, the bad kind, invisible until an accident happens.

Re: The Strava Files

#20
post #11

Flagging is insufficient for safety. In my area there are continual "flag wars" where a descent will be flagged, so someone will create a new version with a name like "xxxx (do not flag)" Arguments quickly flow over to local forums about flagging with the predictable discussion of individual rights vs Strava's responsibility. In my view they should just auto-flag anything over 2 or 3% average descent.

Flagging should be reserved for ill-made segments that go through stop signs. One man's flag-worthy segment is another man's easy descent (and QoMs).

What about segments where you need to break the speed limit?

What about segments that go down single-lane bike paths at 60km/h?

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