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The Ocean is Broken
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#32The US, and other nations, have nuclear powered ships for war. Why not use these ships for peace, and try cleaning the ocean?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pacific_Gyre
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/oceans/...
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#33This is nonsense. A classic case of mistaking an anecdote for data. There's lots of year-to-year variation in currents which affect life in the ocean. In turn, the birds which depend on seafood vary tremendously. For example, two years ago Pelagic Cormorants had tremendous problems with their food source off of Northern California. So the Cormorants moved around seeking food. Santa Clara County, which normally goes y…
or it may be the absolute truth - which you are dismissing as anecdotal. In either case it is worth keeping an open mind, because if it is true, then we are in serious trouble. Sticking your head in the sand and saying "no data, no data" is not useful even if at the end of the day you are correct. When the consequences of being right or wrong (depending on your point of view) are so dire, it is worth investigating fu…
I think it more interesting why some people want to believe such nonsense. The price of fish is all the evidence you need. Glass half empty does not begin to describe such a mind set.
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#34I saw some people comment on a thread similar to this yesterday called, "Sailor says pacific is lifeless form Japan onwards for 3k Miles". I am guessing it is the same gentleman in this article and this is the full article. Some comments there were skeptical and suggested they had been at sea and hadn't caught anything or had not "seen any whales or dolphins". Let me say that there are countless counter arguments but…
Even an entire human lifetime is an eyeblink in the ebb and flow of the ocean environment. No matter what experience a person has, his own observations mean nothing, or rather, are insufficient to assign any causality other than natural variability. Most of the species that have ever lived in the oceans (or anywhere else on the planet) are now extinct, and this happened long before humans had any influence.
I agree with you, but this statement has no ethical weight. We still get to choose whether to do something, and if something, what.
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#36The US, and other nations, have nuclear powered ships for war. Why not use these ships for peace, and try cleaning the ocean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pacific_Gyre http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/oceans/...
because nuclear
god
its like you dont even understand clean energy
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
or it may be the absolute truth - which you are dismissing as anecdotal. In either case it is worth keeping an open mind, because if it is true, then we are in serious trouble. Sticking your head in the sand and saying "no data, no data" is not useful even if at the end of the day you are correct. When the consequences of being right or wrong (depending on your point of view) are so dire, it is worth investigating fu…
I think it more interesting why some people want to believe such nonsense. The price of fish is all the evidence you need. Glass half empty does not begin to describe such a mind set.
The mindset that it is worth keeping an open mind if the consequences are potentially catastrophic - is that the mindset you are having difficulty with?
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#38It's really really sad, and no less ironic, that in the midst of this government shutdown, particularly with the zealotry from the tea party about the evils of government, that a problem which so obviously needs addressing, and should naturally and probably only can be solved by governments, goes unaddressed like this. Surely we must all be able to agree on this. What is government for at all, if not to harness our c…
It's interesting to see the statement that a problem like this can 'probably only be solved by governments' when governments so far have completely failed to solve it, and the proposed non-government solutions (such as removing the limitations on the liability of polluters, and allowing those whose health or livelihood has been injured by pollution to sue, potentially by class action) have never even been attempted.…
> and the proposed non-government solutions (such as removing the limitations on the liability of polluters, and allowing those whose health or livelihood has been injured by pollution to sue, potentially by class action) have never even been attempted
That might work in special cases, like the BP oil spill, where you can make a strong case that a specific source contributed to specific harm to specific plaintiffs.
Unfortunately, such incidents are only a very small part of overall pollution. Pollution gets emitted from multiple sources around the state, country, or even world, mixes chaotically in the oceans and atmosphere, and causes damage possibly hundreds or even thousands of miles away from its source, often contributing small amounts of damage at hundreds of places.
Good luck trying to figure out who to sue, and then proving that any of your named defendants actually emitted pollution that caused damage to any particular plaintiff.
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#39The US, and other nations, have nuclear powered ships for war. Why not use these ships for peace, and try cleaning the ocean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pacific_Gyre http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/oceans/...
because nuclear god its like you dont even understand clean energy
Have you ever read "Sustainable Energy without the Hot Air?" http://www.withouthotair.com/ ... free book written by a cambridge theoretical physicist. Well worth a read. From a C02 perspective at least nuclear is quite a lot better than other things.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
or it may be the absolute truth - which you are dismissing as anecdotal. In either case it is worth keeping an open mind, because if it is true, then we are in serious trouble. Sticking your head in the sand and saying "no data, no data" is not useful even if at the end of the day you are correct. When the consequences of being right or wrong (depending on your point of view) are so dire, it is worth investigating fu…
I think it more interesting why some people want to believe such nonsense. The price of fish is all the evidence you need. Glass half empty does not begin to describe such a mind set.
Fishing techniques have improved rapidly over the past few decades. The price of fish is only a measure of supply in as much as we can continue extracting fish. It's no indication of how close we are to running out.