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Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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Re: Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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In the reddit thread for this same article, I found this the best comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/elal2/have_you_ev... A much better "pay it forward" story.

Read this reddit article. It is likely the best thing many of us will hear for years. It's a life-changer.

Re: Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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How about paying for food for the homeless instead? Someone in a car at a fast food place is probably well off enough to afford the car, maintenance, gas, etc.

So the US is pretty demographically heterogeneous. Instead of a "we're all in this together" attitude like they have in (for example) Iceland, a lot of people here have a "us v. them" attitude. I think a lot of this is fueled by conscious or subconscious racism. I believe this is why we have trouble passing a lot of social welfare programs, education reform, healthcare, etc. You hear a lot of complaints that boil dow…

That's a pretty sad but true realization.

Re: Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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I suspect a carefully coordinated PR campaign for Chick-fil-A, as I've noticed uncharacteristically, frequent positive references to them in unrelated news items lately. I consume a lot of news, and noticing "fake" planted positive references in tangentially related articles is par for the course for any company that stepped in deep shit like they did. I suspect at least one of these positive comments here to be a pl…

Really, that's what this article says to you? Sometime folks look at others who are not doing so well and decide to pick up the tab, or just feel like doing it for a complete stranger. Some of its religion, some of it is just spreading the wealth. Sometime its just looking at others in bad situations. Sometimes its just to make themselves feel better. I've done it a couple of times. I payed for a young lady at a McDo…

It's not that he doesn't believe this happens, but rather that the presence of a story about it in NYT where chick-fil-a is mentioned directly in the first paragraph is not an accidental matter. Chick-fil-a being the main restaurant talked about in a feel good article like this is great PR for them, discounting the possibility of it having been arranged deliberately just because the op was overly cynical is a bit petulant. PR is almost never about making things up, but rather the timing and the tone and the things mentioned in the periphery of the story. PR firms know that a straight-up story on how chick-fil-a is great is not likely to do much for them with world-weary americans, but a feel good story about people helping each other (which may very well have happened) with chick-fil-a strategically placed just in the background is great.

Re: Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, that's what this article says to you? Sometime folks look at others who are not doing so well and decide to pick up the tab, or just feel like doing it for a complete stranger. Some of its religion, some of it is just spreading the wealth. Sometime its just looking at others in bad situations. Sometimes its just to make themselves feel better. I've done it a couple of times. I payed for a young lady at a McDo…

It's not that he doesn't believe this happens, but rather that the presence of a story about it in NYT where chick-fil-a is mentioned directly in the first paragraph is not an accidental matter. Chick-fil-a being the main restaurant talked about in a feel good article like this is great PR for them, discounting the possibility of it having been arranged deliberately just because the op was overly cynical is a bit pet…

Given the leanings of the NYT, I cannot imagine a feel good article about Chick-Fil-A will ever appear in their pages because of money. They have refused advertising several times because it doesn't jive with their editorial policy.

[edit] also see Natsu's comment for an additional thought against it being an ad for Chick-Fil-A.

Re: Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mention "chick fil-a PR", and that's going to be the first thing that comes to mind. Total self-inflicted wound on their part, whatever your personal politics.

I specifically address this point when I say that it's only a minority of people who would even remember that controversy. Would you care to address this line of argument?

I just did. You remembered it, and with passion. You knew exactly what the parenthetical (they stepped in it) was talking about. So did everyone else on the thread.

You disprove your own argument.

Re: Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

#106
post #73

In the reddit thread for this same article, I found this the best comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/elal2/have_you_ev... A much better "pay it forward" story.

Read this reddit article. It is likely the best thing many of us will hear for years. It's a life-changer.

I read the whole thing as well. So much good in the world -- I hope it keeps inspiring people to do the same =]

Re: Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that he doesn't believe this happens, but rather that the presence of a story about it in NYT where chick-fil-a is mentioned directly in the first paragraph is not an accidental matter. Chick-fil-a being the main restaurant talked about in a feel good article like this is great PR for them, discounting the possibility of it having been arranged deliberately just because the op was overly cynical is a bit pet…

Given the leanings of the NYT, I cannot imagine a feel good article about Chick-Fil-A will ever appear in their pages because of money. They have refused advertising several times because it doesn't jive with their editorial policy. [edit] also see Natsu's comment for an additional thought against it being an ad for Chick-Fil-A.

You can't believe it would happen for money, but you'd believe it'd happen for free? Anyway, PR is far more complex and subtle than "I give money, you write article". Someone posted a pg essay below that might be instructive.

As to why I think this might (I make no claims to certainty) be a PR-influenced article:

1. Chick-fil-a is mentioned in the first paragraph, no other restaraunt is mentioned until the fourth.

2. The first 3 paragraphs are a visceral imagining of what it would be like to be part of a "pay-it-forward" chain at a chick-fil-a specifically, complete with giggling cashier. Other restaurants are mentioned only in an detached and objective manner.

3. There's a direct quote in paragraph 5 from the chick-fil-a "director of hospitality", the only other quote from a restaurant owner is from a smaller local shop 3 or 4 paragraphs down. The chick-fil-a representative’s quote is a comment on the value and reasoning behind pay-it-forward, the other's is simply a factual one about a lady at his store that does it.

4. Getting a bit more abstract here, but this is exactly the kind of ideal that chick-fil-a probably wants to be associated with, "good-old down home people helping each other out small town america &c.". Note the jab at starbucks at the end?

5. Like op said, chick-fil-a took a bit of a beating in the press awhile ago. People might not remember what happened exactly, but they probably came away with a slightly worse impression of chick-fil-a. If PR was involved in this article then it's probably to try and repair that damage.

Re: Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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I suspect a carefully coordinated PR campaign for Chick-fil-A, as I've noticed uncharacteristically, frequent positive references to them in unrelated news items lately. I consume a lot of news, and noticing "fake" planted positive references in tangentially related articles is par for the course for any company that stepped in deep shit like they did. I suspect at least one of these positive comments here to be a pl…

Unbelievably sad.

Re: Ma’am, Your Burger Has Been Paid For

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually he did refer to how Chick-fil-a "stepped in deep shit".

I took that as a statement of fact (akin to "Chick-fil-a faced a public relations disaster ...") rather than a value judgement.

It's a fact? I heard Chick-fil-a stores had record sales after your so-called "deep shit PR disaster."
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