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Ask HN: How do I install Firefox when Windows 7 doesn't ship with IE8 ?

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Re: Ask HN: How do I install Firefox when Windows 7 doesn't ship with IE8 ?

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There is a nice API urldownloadtofile - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms775123(VS.85).aspx

If you have Visual Studio by any chance, you can try that...

If there is Windows Scripting Host installed with Windows 7 by default, you can try exploring that too... maybe some createobject()s will help

Then why not boot into a live Ubuntu and get firefox for windows, reboot and have fun surfing the net

Re: Ask HN: How do I install Firefox when Windows 7 doesn't ship with IE8 ?

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Wtf? Are you seriously suggesting that Windows 7 will ship without any browser? Do you really believe that that is possible? Really?

Well that is how they interpreted the court orders. The court says they meant MS should present a choice, though. Which I consider madness: why force a company to ship the products of it's competitors???

Re: Ask HN: How do I install Firefox when Windows 7 doesn't ship with IE8 ?

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Software vendors (Acer, HP etc..) will most likely install an open source web browser in any shop bought computer.

Indeed, in fact they'll probably install IE8, firefox, and something else, so the end result for the consumer won't be all that different.

Although I'm basically pro-regulation (that is, I think governments should be able to act on behalf of consumers when they're being given a raw deal), the EU is going overboard with this. Microsoft is not such a terrible ogre and doesn't make it difficult for me to use alternatives to its own software.

OK, so I'm a nerd and Joe or Jane Blow doesn't know that well why one browser is better than another or how they might benefit. But I don't see how that's Microsoft's fault, nor do I see how they've done ~$1.5 billion of damage to consumers. Is everyone in the EU $3 worse off because of IE? Really? I can think of a LOT of businesses that have done a lot more damage - to the environment, indirectly to people's health, and so forth - than Microsoft has.

(long rumination on anti-trust regulation deleted, but) it rather disturbs me that the two biggest fines levied for supposed malfeasance have both been on computer corporations, who do more than most industries to democratize innovation and economic opportunity. I feel the EU is just demanding these big fines because the companies can pay, rather than because of real injury they have created.

A typical American cellphone contract is far more economically punishing than the lost productivity due to having to install a non-IE browser by your own damn self.

Re: Ask HN: How do I install Firefox when Windows 7 doesn't ship with IE8 ?

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post #13

Wtf? Are you seriously suggesting that Windows 7 will ship without any browser? Do you really believe that that is possible? Really?

Well MS have said they won't bundle it, but apparently this isn't good enough for the EU, who want them to include competitors' browsers - although which ones? Can I sue if they don't include browlzilla? I wouldn't use IE if you paid me but I support Redmond on this one, they've done enough.
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