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Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by Flip-per »

m_mueller wrote: post #14

The subject is interesting, especially because I'm married to a Japanese - but man do I hate articles that go round and round like this one. Here, have a little bit of a sociological hypothesis - but let's not go too deep for your little brains shall we? Here, have a little bit of anecdotal evidence instead. Enough of that? Alright, let's start over again. [...] Oh I'm outa time, let's end the article now, kthxbye. I…

I agree, I've read too many articles like this one. It's picking up a topic, citing something here and there, some nice stories and persons (a dominatrix, that has to be interesting!), without any point or additional information. It's inflating once 3-paragraph article up to several pages out of nowhere. I like reading longer articles and books but I want a bit more than random chit-chat. But hey, I now know that some Japanese dominatrix squeezed the testicles of an army general in North Korea. Hooray.

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Post by gaius »

Sagat wrote: post #116
camus2 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know , back in 2005 , it was the WAP years, i used to work for a VOD business specialised in video content for phones(any content,sport,erotic,tv shows...). My job was to source content and manage a mobile video website. that's when i got exposed to JAV. So a business we worked with sent us "classic" JAV. And frankly , it was the most extreme stuff i saw back then. There is definetly something cultural. I think j…

France isn't really that open minded about sex. Although most people are secular, you still have the whole judaeo-christian morals hanging around in the background, subtly changing everybody's behavior. Eh ouais.

France is also a country where paternity testing is illegal.

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Post by speeder »

msandford wrote: post #214
001sky wrote: post #171

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Anecdotally, this is directly correlated to the price of real-estate, and other parts of the world are only now catching up to Japan in this regards.

A lot of people are looking at the utter destruction of freedom that raising a family is today, and choosing not to. It's not just the price of real estate, it's inflation too. Roll into that the lack of job security and negative real interest rates and it's no wonder people can't think about a future. One of the most basic needs when planning for a future is the prospect that the future will be better than the past.…

You people are forgetting feminism.

It has lots to do with it.

Brazil for example has PLENTY of space and cheap places to live (unless you want to live in São Paulo... like where I am now, the prices here ARE fucked up)

Yet marriages are going down to the point of scare the government too.

The reason for it is simple (there has been lots of research, not only here, but on other countries with declining births to dangerous levels): women prefer their careers to motherhood...

Even the UN gender economic report, state that it thinks is a good thing women have less kids because they can get richer (yes, that is written in the report, specifically, the report consider that countries where women have less than 3 kids, are countries that are awesome because they are reaching gender equality, since women with less kids can work more)

For men, it is the invention of no-fault divorce, that keeps marriage pointless (the point of marriage historically, in cultures where divorce was forbidden by law or by custom or by religion, was to force women stay in the marriage, and indeed in countries with no-fault divorce, no matter where, they keep finding that 70% of the divorces with no reason where started by women)

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Post by speeder »

w1ntermute wrote: post #173
lmm wrote: post #142

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Yes. Japanese culture has an extreme level of politeness that you don't see in Italy or America (I don't know enough about Korea to comment). Even the British are more open.

Korea is similar to Japan, but not as extreme. They also have a very hierarchical society, but people are more open about their emotions. Whereas the Japanese will go to great lengths to avoid conflict, the Koreans have a breaking point that you can often see reached in public.

That explain why their parliament sometimes comes to physical fights (where in Japan it does not...)

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Post by nkhodyunya »

philwelch wrote: post #213
nkhodyunya wrote: post #204

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Neither. I've tried casual sex when I was young, 5 or 7 times before realized it's totally overrated overhyped trash.

Have you tried non-casual sex? The whole point of sex is to make an intimate connection with another person; I'll agree it's kind of pointless without that. But then again so is porn. Hence the original question: it's a very solipsistic attitude that porn is an adequate replacement for sex.

Yeah, i believe putting my dick into someone else pussy would make us "strongly connected" for at least some time, but I don't agree that the whole point of sex is intimate connection. I believe that the point is to make children. Or (as for me) to make orgasm.

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Post by dsj129 »

michaelochurch wrote: post #180
veidr wrote: post #73

This is a stupid article, and young people in Japan have not stopped having sex. What westerners might call 'casual sex' -- sex without the framework of a relationships that implies various other promieses/committments -- is normal, and also not likely to be spoken about frankly, especially to a reporter, and much less a British one. Sometimes I'll witness a young woman asked about it at a social gathering (as people…

This is a stupid article, and young people in Japan have not stopped having sex. It doesn't claim that. It says that 25% of young men and 45% of young women are repulsed by sexual contact. That means that 75% of men and 55% of women are still open to it (and, presumably, having it). I'd bet that if you looked at an American college campus, you'd find similar behavioral statistics, due to the declining ability of youn…

I would argue that it's not so much that most women "don't want" casual sex, but that they are judged more harshly for having it. I believe women's sex drives are quite a bit higher than is reported, mainly because women are ashamed to admit their strictly sexual desires.

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Post by analog31 »

There's an analogous effect that's reportedly been around for a long time, possibly worldwide: An anti-correlation between birth rates and things like the education and economic empowerment of women. In addition, even the US has seen a decline in birth rates resulting from economic stagnation. Is Japan an exception, or merely an extreme case due to the tenacity of workplace sex discrimination?

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Post by speeder »

tokenadult wrote: post #139

This article would be a lot more informative if it looked at some other countries for comparison and contrast. Other countries that have been in the news for a high age of first marriage and a very low birthrate are Italy and Taiwan. What is similar about those countries, and what is different about them, alongside Japan? I have read that Taiwan (where I have lived during two different three-year periods of foreign r…

This also happened to late roman empire, just before their collapse.

I know you like links, but I am busy now and cannot re-find them...

But basically, any country that is prosperous enough to women work in equal terms to men in a safe environment (ie: police exists and army is strong), ends having women rights movements, a acceptance of homosexuals, and a sharp rise in individualism.

Then a mix of this happen (usually all of it, and it DID happened in Rome):

no-fault divorce (prompting huge amount of women-initiated divorces, and then men stopping marriages) babysitters and daycare (because women are not home to take care of children) great numbers of women that prefer their careers over marriage great numbers of men men that prefer goofing around instead of having responsability over a household.

All this usually results in decline of births, and debt problems as countries start to debase their currency in a attempt to keep the same standard of living for the old while there is not enough young people (this is much worse in countries with military all over the globe, like Rome)

Then you start having governments defaulting on obligations to pay police and army, undoing the conditions that allowed the equality, then your country either drift back to a previous condition, or if it was big enough and streched far enough, it collapses (like Rome did, as your defaulted police and army, immigrants covering for lack of native young people, and lack of native young people to defend their native land, makes your country a sitting duck for anyone that want to bring it down)

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Post by Sukotto »

michaelochurch wrote: post #180
veidr wrote: post #73

This is a stupid article, and young people in Japan have not stopped having sex. What westerners might call 'casual sex' -- sex without the framework of a relationships that implies various other promieses/committments -- is normal, and also not likely to be spoken about frankly, especially to a reporter, and much less a British one. Sometimes I'll witness a young woman asked about it at a social gathering (as people…

This is a stupid article, and young people in Japan have not stopped having sex. It doesn't claim that. It says that 25% of young men and 45% of young women are repulsed by sexual contact. That means that 75% of men and 55% of women are still open to it (and, presumably, having it). I'd bet that if you looked at an American college campus, you'd find similar behavioral statistics, due to the declining ability of youn…

  Casual sex doesn't fit most people. Many people (including
  most men) can't get it and many (including most women) don't
  want it. Only about 50-60% participate in the casual market
  even once, and half of those end up wishing they hadn't.
I'd like to read about that in more depth. Can you cite that gender breakdown and participation/satisfaction stat to a specific set of published research?

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Post by guard-of-terra »

squirejons wrote: post #90

ever notice how the corporate media is always trying get more people into the developed nations? Mass immigration! More people! More People! More Babies! MOAR! MOAR! This baby dearth, combined with the ability of the japanese to keep their elites from increasing mass immigration, means less supply of labor, which means higher wage (remember supply and demand? It applies to labor, too). That means that the corporation…

This doesn't work for Japan so well right now: lost generation, 10s of percents of temp jobs with bad pay...
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