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Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by xdd »

m_mueller wrote: post #14

The subject is interesting, especially because I'm married to a Japanese - but man do I hate articles that go round and round like this one. Here, have a little bit of a sociological hypothesis - but let's not go too deep for your little brains shall we? Here, have a little bit of anecdotal evidence instead. Enough of that? Alright, let's start over again. [...] Oh I'm outa time, let's end the article now, kthxbye. I…

The journalist failed theguardian.

1.no actual data supported. This is more like: I used 5 people to prove Japanese stop having sex.

2.no study of source.

just imagination, I doubt if this is FBI undercover job tried to ruin theguardian's name.

Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by gradsolos »

nkhodyunya wrote: post #106

Sex nowadays became a redundant, obsolete, risky, overcomplicated act which you can totally avoid with the help of good porn. So why bother with searching partner, if you can have all of sex benefits alone, but with porn or good imagination.

This.

With the amazing variety and quantity of high-quality porn nowadays, it never ceases to amaze me the great efforts people are willing to undergo for the possibility of sex.

When I ask, most people admit they don't really like that place or feel like doing that, they do it only to increase their prospects of having casual sex. C'mon, it's the 21st century!

Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by philwelch »

ivix wrote: post #120
usernew1817 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why does saying "married to a Japanese" sound so much more awkward then saying "married to an American/Canadian"

Because it should be 'married to a jap' but for annoying and outdated historical reasons, people will think you are racist if you say that.

It's hard to disassociate the word "Jap" from World War II racist propaganda.

http://img.moonbuggy.org/superman-says-you-can-slap-a-jap/

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Post by berntb »

greghinch wrote: post #174
hannibal5 wrote: post #167

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This is not stupid article. The journalist in question used these few people just to add human interest in a story full of statistics. 1. Increasing number of Japanese have just casual sex. 2. Increasing number of Japanese don't have sex (with other human) at all. There is statistical data from several surveys backing this up.

I think what the parent is saying (and is reiterated by several other posts here) is that premise of young Japanese people not having sex is based on a lack of understanding in the cultural subtexts implied by the way those young people are answering the questions. The reporter is taking their answers at face value, when in fact they shouldn't be at all.

You missed the claim that it is well documented that the Japanese young have less sex. A quick check of condom sales (and/or VD statistics) can verify if people have less sex.

But, of course, the article really might be just pure fantasy with invented statistics.

(I have no idea. Since it is easily testable, any fact checkers at the magazine would find out quickly. But maybe only NYTimes have them, these days.)

Edit: Grammar fix. ferongr, I wrote condom and VD sales like that, since they obviously play off each others -- we do talk about short term affairs... (Ok, gaius did note the third case -- pregnancies/abortions :-) Also supports my points, the amount of sex is easy to measure.)

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Post by lotsofcows »

desas wrote: post #151
lmm wrote: post #142

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Yes. Japanese culture has an extreme level of politeness that you don't see in Italy or America (I don't know enough about Korea to comment). Even the British are more open.

Yeah, the British are partly the way they are (reserved, standoffish, polite) because they are a small, crowded, island nation. Japan is the same but more so.

Hmmmm, somebody's never been out in town on a Friday night.

Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by tomp »

drjesusphd wrote: post #112
threeseed wrote: post #75

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Sorry but you're completely wrong on this. The problem is that people in general are living longer but the retirement age is staying roughly the same. So as time goes on you have a higher percentage of the people who aren't working but yet consuming public resources. In the short term it is bad. In the long term it is devastating. Which is why every developed country is aggressively increasing the immigration rate to…

> Which is why every developed country is aggressively increasing the immigration rate to compensate. It's obvious that this is an unsustainable solution.

He said, "except Japan" ;)

Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by philwelch »

bluedino wrote: post #123
throw_away wrote: post #101

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The only people I've ever encountered using the "a (Japan|Chin)ese" construction were (Japan|Chin)ese people themselves. Which may have rubbed off on GGP from GGP's Asian spouse. I've wondered if there was some correlation in Asian languages, but the English translation of the Japanese version of that wiki page makes it seem as if the concept of demonym is foreign to Japanese readers: http://translate.google.com/tran…

It's also a way older people or rural/Southern people would refer to African-Americans: "She dates a black" Most people would think that's an odd or deragotory way of saying that.

They're probably doing a s/negro/black in their head.

Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by berntb »

desas wrote: post #151
lmm wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Japanese culture has an extreme level of politeness that you don't see in Italy or America (I don't know enough about Korea to comment). Even the British are more open.

Yeah, the British are partly the way they are (reserved, standoffish, polite) because they are a small, crowded, island nation. Japan is the same but more so.

I always heard it described that Japanese are shy to a large part for the same reason Scandinavian/Nordic people are shy -- a very violent society, which isn't violent anymore. The shyness is a historic anacronism.

(The shyness comes from that in a large fraction of quarrels someone(s) will be carried away, in pieces. You don't cause offense without very good reason. Not sober, anyway.)

Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?

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Post by emiliobumachar »

mattchew wrote: post #168
emiliobumachar wrote: post #71

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True enough, but such evolution, in the purely darwinian sense of the word, may involve a lot of war and atrocities. In the worst case, it could bring the bloody end of civilization as we know it. I agree that society and technology could evolve us through a much more desirable path. But the more time we can buy for that to happen, the better.

> I agree that society and technology could evolve us through a much more desirable path. But the more time we can buy for that to happen, the better. I would inflect this differently. An open and free society is much more likely to figure out a desirable path for the future than one steered by central authority. (In fact, it is the accumulation of thousands or millions of small improvements that will, in retrospect,…

I agree with all your points, but, regarding the last sentence, I'd like to point out that this is definitely one of the (perhaps rare) cases in which a desire for radical conservation is compatible with openness and freedom.

I'm talking about letting people choose not to reproduce (textbook freedom), instead of having a government policy to influence them to revert their choices for the perceived greater good (central planning).

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