Ah, the sordid British fascination with sex in East Asia raises its head again...
Ah, the sordid British fascination with casting scorn upon some healthy perversions...
Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?
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Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the major things I see though in the article is the way in which modern corporate capitalism isolates individuals and tries to place career above family.
You mean how individual people choose to place career above family? Don't see how modern corporate capitalism is doing that.
Having lived in some other countries, I disagree. This corresponds with corporate domination of the economy. Where small businesses dominate, family becomes more important. The reason is that family becomes the primary source of small business capital.
Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you read the article? Japan seems like it will have some serious social ramifications of this in the upcoming years. That's worthy of discussion.
Yes, but you can talk about demographic trends without delving into fetishism and sexualization. As strange as it sounds, there isn't much relation between sex and the choice to have children, from my understanding Japanese women are rejecting motherhood because it cancels whatever limited career opportunities they may have had. In other words, like most demographic trends, it is driven by economics. Of course to a s…
While I don't disagree with you that economics and the plight of the working woman in Japan is a major cause of the dismal birth rate, there's definitely more to it than just that. In particular, the "herbivore man" phenomenon is definitely A Thing in Japan, and the WP article claims that anywhere between 36% and 71% (!) of Japanese men under 30 now self-identify as herbivores:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men
Can you imagine a survey in any Western country where even 36% of young men would willingly fess up to voluntarily avoiding any romantic relationships?
(And FWIW, I'm married to a Japanese woman, and our contribution to the birth rate is already above the national average.)
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#84I loved the picture of the couple leaning away from each other; I think I was supposed to see that as an indicator of the purported epidemic.
I think what the article was, however, was an advertisement for the former dominatrix. Apparently you can pay her to talk to you about women, pay her more to get naked while she talks about women, and maybe if you play your cards right...
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
My point is about porn in general. I'm from a generation that did not have access to porn easily. today some 12 yo kids are already addicted to porn,and not the softcore stuff. There will be huge consequences. I dont think i'm confused about causality here. If you cant get excited unless you see or do extreme stuff, you're going to have a pretty difficult libido,as in reality not that many women are willing to "perfo…
>I dont think one needs to be already interested in extreme fetish in order to get hooked to it,the more one looks at porn the more one seeks extreme stuffs. It's like any other addiction. I agree, but my point was that people who see enough porn to get to the really weird stuff are probably more likely the ones who didn't care for real-life relationships already (in a society where these two things a correlated). Ed…
You know , back in 2005 , it was the WAP years, i used to work for a VOD business specialised in video content for phones(any content,sport,erotic,tv shows...).
My job was to source content and manage a mobile video website. that's when i got exposed to JAV. So a business we worked with sent us "classic" JAV. And frankly , it was the most extreme stuff i saw back then. There is definetly something cultural. I think japanese get exposed to stuff we would label as extreme , yet for the business i was dealing with it was normal JAV.
And i'm from a country which is quite open minded about sex(one of our first lady was an ex model who did nude photos, i dont think it would be ok in US).
Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?
#86Is there hard evidence that this is bad? Resource depletion is among the highest risks to civilization. Seems straightforward that severe population decline should be desired, and voluntary refraining from reproduction should be welcome. (Please don't just extrapolate the trend till extinction. See http://xkcd.com/605/ . )
The problem is that not everyone is making less progeny. Japanese and European populations may be in decline, but African, Asian, Arabic, and Hispanic ones are growing at a brisk pace.
So yes, it's pretty bad for some people to limit births. You are essentially diminishing your influence and putting yourself at risk of being swallowed up by other cultures.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're not Pandas. Ressource depletion is only a problem if our ressource consumption doesnt evolve. And it will evolve.
Except that people will only evolve once the resources are completely gone. The underlying problem is that sustainable products almost always have a price premium attached to them. And because the benefits of sustainability are indirect it's hard to convince people to pay more.
Cars nowadays are vastly more ressource-efficient than they were in the 70's.
That evolution can be triggered by higher prices for ressources. And as they get rarer prices do go up.
Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?
#88Few things I'm reading from Japanese people (albeit, I won't say this is unbiased observation) often cite unrealistic expectations of their partner's income, look, and personality.
So, I've looked into the government research about it, at least for income part as it is being tangible. [1]
As for income, there have been some research that lifetime unmarried rate would collaborate with income. (Mostly for male) [2]
Their research further says that "In 2010, for male percentage of marriage for permanent employee is 27.7% while same for temp workers are 6.7%, resulting in about 20% of difference, while for female it is 28.2% for permanent workers, and 25.8% for temp workers, shows the much less difference. Therefore the increased rate of male temp workers is contributing to unmarriage rate or marriage at an older age. [3]
[1] http://www.mlit.go.jp/hakusyo/mlit/h24/hakusho/h25/index.htm....
[2] http://www.mlit.go.jp/hakusyo/mlit/h24/hakusho/h25/image/n10...
[3] http://www.mlit.go.jp/hakusyo/mlit/h24/hakusho/h25/html/n122...
Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?
#89Is there hard evidence that this is bad? Resource depletion is among the highest risks to civilization. Seems straightforward that severe population decline should be desired, and voluntary refraining from reproduction should be welcome. (Please don't just extrapolate the trend till extinction. See http://xkcd.com/605/ . )
How about "Human Resource Depletion"?
The system only works when there's growth... a huge decline in population (hence births, hence sexual activity ...) is the biggest fear of all governments, as it deflates the foundations current countries/systems/power balances/... are built on. It's also the reason why worldwide "family values" and "the traditional family (unit) as cornerstone of the society" are main political points, independent of culture, religion, ...
Re: Have young people in Japan stopped having sex?
#90ever notice how the corporate media is always trying get more people into the developed nations? Mass immigration! More people! More People! More Babies! MOAR! MOAR!
This baby dearth, combined with the ability of the japanese to keep their elites from increasing mass immigration, means less supply of labor, which means higher wage (remember supply and demand? It applies to labor, too). That means that the corporations that support the corporate media via advertising buys will pay more for labor. The media hates that!
Also, fewer people means fewer consumers for the products advertised in the media. The media hates that!
The media is the enemy of the majority working class citizen of the developed nations.