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Re: Brooklyn man arrested for flying drone over Manhattan

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Slighlty related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxBM-JLNyBg

After seeing this video, I do see why people love drone flying so much, it's amazing how much can you see from there that you can't with any other means. (They have other very nice videos, from the costa concordia to Angkor Wat)

Re: Brooklyn man arrested for flying drone over Manhattan

#22
Oh look. Its the system actually working for a change. A guy did a stupid thing that might have endangered someone else with his property. He was arrested and may be charged for a crime that if convicted would lead to a fine large enough to deter him and others from doing something this stupid again.

Seems like a perfectly rational reaction to me despite the overhyped news story. (Slow news day no that there's no 'shutdown' to breathlessly go on about?)

Re: Brooklyn man arrested for flying drone over Manhattan

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Seems he was arrested for crashing it near a pedestrian, not simply for flying it. He was charged with reckless endanderment for is inability to control the device.

To me, I think either way this activity should be banned. Though the activity should be allowed in some rural area with permits. Especially in a dense, metropolitan city like NYC, flying a robotic copter or drone can pose dangerous. especially if everyone were to fly one.

> To me, I think either way this activity should be banned.

Define "this activity." I hope you don't mean all flying of remote control aircraft, which is a decades-old and historically extremely safe hobby.

Re: Brooklyn man arrested for flying drone over Manhattan

#24

Oh look. Its the system actually working for a change. A guy did a stupid thing that might have endangered someone else with his property. He was arrested and may be charged for a crime that if convicted would lead to a fine large enough to deter him and others from doing something this stupid again. Seems like a perfectly rational reaction to me despite the overhyped news story. (Slow news day no that there's no 'sh…

Except for the end where they say the NYPD is now investigating it and the person who reported it said he had a sense they didn't know how to handle it. That's why he brought the story to the media. So, yeah the system works if you include media/social networks and the 'overhyping' of attention in to the loop. Would he have been arrested if this story didn't have attention? It seems that the police have no strategy and have not yet thought about how they are going to enforce this FAA rule which is clearly going to be more and more relevant in the future.

Re: Brooklyn man arrested for flying drone over Manhattan

#25
There was a teenager in New York who died recently when his RC helicopter sliced off the top of his head[1]. Flying these things in heavily populated areas is going to be an issue, whether there is a human being at the controls or it is some future autonomous "tacocopter."

[1] http://nypost.com/2013/09/05/man-decapitated-by-remote-contr...

Re: Brooklyn man arrested for flying drone over Manhattan

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post #25

There was a teenager in New York who died recently when his RC helicopter sliced off the top of his head[1]. Flying these things in heavily populated areas is going to be an issue, whether there is a human being at the controls or it is some future autonomous "tacocopter." [1] http://nypost.com/2013/09/05/man-decapitated-by-remote-contr...

Personally, this sounds like what people said when cars first appeared in the US:

  "Responsible parents would tell their children,
  'Go outside, and play in the streets. All day.'

  "And then the automobile happened. And then
  automobiles began killing thousands of children,
  every year. - New York Times, Nov 23, 1924 [1]
Perhaps it would make sense to license drone operators just like other pilots, and certify drone equipment for safe use?

[1] http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/episode-76-the-modern-...

Re: Brooklyn man arrested for flying drone over Manhattan

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, I think either way this activity should be banned. Though the activity should be allowed in some rural area with permits. Especially in a dense, metropolitan city like NYC, flying a robotic copter or drone can pose dangerous. especially if everyone were to fly one.

As a RC plane flying hobbiest my greatest fear is from over reaction to fools like this one. Yes he did the wrong thing. And he's been charged. The present laws seem fine. The big danger is from over-reaction and then just a law outright banning all civilian use. This is my worst case scenario. When me and my friends fly it's a day trip. We travel to a remote location, or a large open flying field. We don't fly over…

Please before raging at me look at what I said. Flying in a dense area is dangerous. Flying in a rural area (or if you want, open field somewhere remote) is fine. So you took the wrong direction. My comment is not foolish at all.

We just need to ban in the city. Even 100 ft is dangerous.

This is not foolish. And importing the argument "ban driving" is certainly foolish because we do have regulations on driving. You can't drive above certain speed and can only drive if you have a permit (if you get caught without a license you get into trouble). You can only drive in a specific designated area called roads.

In essence, if you want to fly within the city like central park. Okay. But it needs to be regulated. Why? Anyone can build a monster copter flying and the next thing is either this copter cut someone's head off or a crash. It is like 3D printing a gun. Without regulation we don't really know who is responsible for what. So a permit seems reasonable. A little law enforcing the consequence, classifying the accident is crucial.

Do you want me to pull out news or video showing people's head got cut off flying copter? If you do that in an open field the danger can be minimized (more space to run away), but in a dense metro area (think about 42th street) is harder. So No.

Read my comment carefully before you make your comment (part of it on ban flying copter in the city).

Re: Brooklyn man arrested for flying drone over Manhattan

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post #13

Seems he was arrested for crashing it near a pedestrian, not simply for flying it. He was charged with reckless endanderment for is inability to control the device.

To me, I think either way this activity should be banned. Though the activity should be allowed in some rural area with permits. Especially in a dense, metropolitan city like NYC, flying a robotic copter or drone can pose dangerous. especially if everyone were to fly one.

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Re: Brooklyn man arrested for flying drone over Manhattan

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Seems he was arrested for crashing it near a pedestrian, not simply for flying it. He was charged with reckless endanderment for is inability to control the device.

Meta-comment: read this one thread replacing "flying a drone/RC" with "shooting a gun" and see similarity to current debate.

Re: Brooklyn man arrested for flying drone over Manhattan

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a RC plane flying hobbiest my greatest fear is from over reaction to fools like this one. Yes he did the wrong thing. And he's been charged. The present laws seem fine. The big danger is from over-reaction and then just a law outright banning all civilian use. This is my worst case scenario. When me and my friends fly it's a day trip. We travel to a remote location, or a large open flying field. We don't fly over…

Please before raging at me look at what I said. Flying in a dense area is dangerous. Flying in a rural area (or if you want, open field somewhere remote) is fine. So you took the wrong direction. My comment is not foolish at all. We just need to ban in the city. Even 100 ft is dangerous. This is not foolish. And importing the argument "ban driving" is certainly foolish because we do have regulations on driving. You c…

> we do have regulations on driving

You don't want regulations on RC aircraft, you want to ban them. But you know nothing about them. I have a small RC helicopter, I could run it into a baby's face at full power and it'd barely tickle.

You've gotten your ideas from media sensationalism of extreme incidents. I could just as easily use your arguments to say "ban bicycles" because someone fell off one and died, or ran into a little old lady and killed her. That's actually far more common than anyone being injured by RC aircraft.

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