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Re: Internet Issues in the US - Possible Backbone Issue

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Post by chimeracoder »

apaprocki wrote: post #13

Too funny -- I diagnosed this to L3 on my home net this morning and I found myself saying "I wonder if anyone else has this issue?". When it comes to the backbone providers there is no Twitter account or status.level3.net or status.theinternet. Hard to do when everything is decentralized. I usually go hit NANOG when stuff like this happens but you're not guaranteed to find something real time there.

> Hard to do when everything is decentralized.

It's funny, because when you think about it, the Internet is remarkably centralized despite its potential to be almost completely decentralized.

A coworker of mine was telling me just this week that the building we work in, in New York City, is one of two single points of failure for the Northeast (and both points of failure are in New York).

This is an incredibly chilling thought when you consider just how little control humans still have over natural disasters (we saw this firsthand last year in NYC).

By "single point of failure" I don't mean that every single person would be unable to access every single website, but that large chunks of the Internet (particularly anything coming from Europe) would be unavailable for most of those users.

Re: Internet Issues in the US - Possible Backbone Issue

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Post by mrgriscom »

chimeracoder wrote: post #31
apaprocki wrote: post #13

Too funny -- I diagnosed this to L3 on my home net this morning and I found myself saying "I wonder if anyone else has this issue?". When it comes to the backbone providers there is no Twitter account or status.level3.net or status.theinternet. Hard to do when everything is decentralized. I usually go hit NANOG when stuff like this happens but you're not guaranteed to find something real time there.

> Hard to do when everything is decentralized. It's funny, because when you think about it, the Internet is remarkably centralized despite its potential to be almost completely decentralized. A coworker of mine was telling me just this week that the building we work in, in New York City, is one of two single points of failure for the Northeast (and both points of failure are in New York). This is an incredibly chilli…

wouldn't that traffic eventually get routed via asia?

Re: Internet Issues in the US - Possible Backbone Issue

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Post by agnokapathetic »

superuser2 wrote: post #33

Isn't there a website that shows a giant table of all the Tier 1 providers and the current ping latency and packet loss between them? I've been unable to find this again... does anyone have a link?

http://www.internetpulse.net/

Re: Internet Issues in the US - Possible Backbone Issue

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Post by patrickg_zill »

Level3 is in the midst of grooming/updating/changing some of their fiber connections.

One Level3 DC I have servers in, was served out of Baltimore, MD ; but in the last few weeks they changed it to be served out of NYC. By "served" I mean that the actual huge-Cisco that the fiber terminated to, was in Baltimore.

Very glad to have moved out of Level3, actually :)

Re: Internet Issues in the US - Possible Backbone Issue

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Post by apaprocki »

chimeracoder wrote: post #31
apaprocki wrote: post #13

Too funny -- I diagnosed this to L3 on my home net this morning and I found myself saying "I wonder if anyone else has this issue?". When it comes to the backbone providers there is no Twitter account or status.level3.net or status.theinternet. Hard to do when everything is decentralized. I usually go hit NANOG when stuff like this happens but you're not guaranteed to find something real time there.

> Hard to do when everything is decentralized. It's funny, because when you think about it, the Internet is remarkably centralized despite its potential to be almost completely decentralized. A coworker of mine was telling me just this week that the building we work in, in New York City, is one of two single points of failure for the Northeast (and both points of failure are in New York). This is an incredibly chilli…

Well, you either work in 60 Hudson, or ... :)

Re: Internet Issues in the US - Possible Backbone Issue

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Post by medecau »

mrgriscom wrote: post #32
chimeracoder wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hard to do when everything is decentralized. It's funny, because when you think about it, the Internet is remarkably centralized despite its potential to be almost completely decentralized. A coworker of mine was telling me just this week that the building we work in, in New York City, is one of two single points of failure for the Northeast (and both points of failure are in New York). This is an incredibly chilli…

wouldn't that traffic eventually get routed via asia?

Or Florida.

Re: Internet Issues in the US - Possible Backbone Issue

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Post by apaprocki »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #8
elliottcarlson wrote: post #6

While most of these services have now been rerouted via Above Net etc, some ISPs such as Time Warner (in NY at least) still seem to be routing via Level3 and unable to get to a lot of destinations.

Time Warner always seems slow to re-route. T-Mobile is having the same issue.

I guess it's a question for NANOG and not HN (if there are any TWC netops here, chime in!), but I'd love to hear a PM why the very expensive routers they buy are not able to automatically re-route to a different peer AS when this happens.

Re: Internet Issues in the US - Possible Backbone Issue

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Post by chimeracoder »

apaprocki wrote: post #37
chimeracoder wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hard to do when everything is decentralized. It's funny, because when you think about it, the Internet is remarkably centralized despite its potential to be almost completely decentralized. A coworker of mine was telling me just this week that the building we work in, in New York City, is one of two single points of failure for the Northeast (and both points of failure are in New York). This is an incredibly chilli…

Well, you either work in 60 Hudson, or ... :)

The one that doesn't have 80,000 gallons of fuel and 2000 gallons of diesel fuel stored in the building. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111_Eighth_Avenue

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