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Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending Crypto and Cryptology Conferences

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Re: Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending Crypto and Cryptology Conferences

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Post by gngeal »

daurnimator wrote: post #89
cantrevealname wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fast track or simplified program for persons of note There actually is a visa for Outstanding persons called O-1A: individuals with an extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business, or athletics ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_visa ). I don't know if it's any faster to get it.

It takes even longer; the documentation required is very strict, and due to the wide range of applicants, hard+subjective to judge.

Huh...so the ACM Turing Award does not qualify? And a Nobel prize wouldn't either, I suppose? So what does?

Re: Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending Crypto and Cryptology Conferences

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Post by ra »

gngeal wrote: post #101
daurnimator wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes even longer; the documentation required is very strict, and due to the wide range of applicants, hard+subjective to judge.

Huh...so the ACM Turing Award does not qualify? And a Nobel prize wouldn't either, I suppose? So what does ?

This is precisely the problem. "Policy on the run" becomes ill-designed red tape.

Re: Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending Crypto and Cryptology Conferences

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Post by Schwolop »

teh_klev wrote: post #82
JanezStupar wrote: post #48

I have been to the USA in the past. I would like to see more than I have seen and I would also like to participate in the wonderful US economy. However upon the last visit I really took offence with the security theatre (that was in 2008 mind you and I am from a visa waiver country). Another factor is that USA chooses to not grant me a visa under which I start a business in the US under reasonable terms i.e. without…

I flew to New Zealand on Air NZ back in 2005. Unfortunately there's a stop off in LA to refuel and change crew. Everyone is taken off the plane and corralled into a holding area with not enough seats and horribly stained walls. There is no humour from the immigration officials who escort you through a myriad of corridors to this zone. Then you're marched out in batches and electronically finger printed/eyeball scanne…

I love New Zealand's quarantine people. Every time I visit they clean my shoes for me!

Re: Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending Crypto and Cryptology Conferences

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Post by bemol »

Sidnicious wrote: post #31

Why not attend by telepresence? Let him present by video and hook him up with a Double or similar internet-controllable robot to talk to people around the conference. Or go full-on Bluth and pair up with an American proxy wearing a headset. This sucks, sure, but there's always another way.

If this would become common (or any "other way"), it could very well be made illegal shortly after and requires some sort of visa. The issue is not technical, it's political.

Re: Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending Crypto and Cryptology Conferences

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Post by Stratoscope »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #100
Stratoscope wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment you replied to has no DOCTYPE. Therefore it is not XHTML. It's not even HTML. It's quite obviously just an HN comment and not subject to the syntax rules of of XHTML or HTML. So, your complaints about the tag formatting are unfounded.

The comment I replied to wasn't any valid format at all. What makes you think my reply wasn't in jest? Because it obviously was. People just want to nitpick my obviously humorous reply (which is actually fine up to a point as my humour was nitpicking so getting nitpicky about the nitpicking is valid too). You are taking this far far too seriously.

I'm sorry my humor detector wasn't working as well as it should have yesterday. Writing doesn't have the nuances of personal conversation, and it often happens that something that was intended as humor doesn't come across that way.

I've been in your shoes here a few times, when I've posted something that I thought was obviously humorous and people took it seriously instead. It's usually happened when I avoided putting in a :-) because I felt like that would ruin the joke - and instead leaving out the :-) ended up ruining the joke.

So, peace, bro, OK? :-)

Re: Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending Crypto and Cryptology Conferences

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Post by jessaustin »

Stratoscope wrote: post #105
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment I replied to wasn't any valid format at all. What makes you think my reply wasn't in jest? Because it obviously was. People just want to nitpick my obviously humorous reply (which is actually fine up to a point as my humour was nitpicking so getting nitpicky about the nitpicking is valid too). You are taking this far far too seriously.

I'm sorry my humor detector wasn't working as well as it should have yesterday. Writing doesn't have the nuances of personal conversation, and it often happens that something that was intended as humor doesn't come across that way. I've been in your shoes here a few times, when I've posted something that I thought was obviously humorous and people took it seriously instead. It's usually happened when I avoided puttin…

You're a better person than I, Stratoscope.

Re: Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending Crypto and Cryptology Conferences

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Post by z999 »

cantrevealname wrote: post #2

Adi Shamir wrote that the president of his institute says: "It is clear that scientists have been singled out, since I hear that other ‘simple citizen’, do get their visa in a short time." Scientists get more scrutiny? What in the world is going on there?

I know of another Israeli security researcher that had big trojble getting an american visa for travel, he had to cancel his trip because getting the visa took 5 months IIRC.
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