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Re: To an alarming degree, science is not self-correcting

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The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn has some interesting commentary on how invalid scientific models of our world are eventually (and painfully) discharged. It's the book that coined the term "paradigm shift". This article tends to focus more on bad science, but I think the book is still at least partially relevant.

I agree with you that Kuhn is still worth reading, but perhaps a better intro to Philosophy of Science can be found in Laudan's "Science and Relativism". He is not dismissive of Kuhnian-style relativism, but he is critical of it and helps you see how it fits into the larger debate. At least that's what I remember. It's been a while since college :/ http://www.amazon.com/Science-Relativism-Controversies-Philo...

I argue the best primer is Feynman's "The meaning of it all: Thoughts of a citizen-scientist" and "The Pleasure of Finding Things Out". I'm not just linkbaiting HN's love for Feynman: Feynman was an active, practicing scientist and besides being introspective, he had a great knack for explaining things in a perspective accessible to non-scientists. Kuhn is worth reading, though if you are a scientist and want to get a more-in-depth analysis of philosophy of science that is laid out formally.

Re: To an alarming degree, science is not self-correcting

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The truth machine is broken. How do we fix it? And why is it that whenever I see a list of the "top 10 most important problems" to solve, this isn't on it? Most educated people take the veracity of published science as given, and we clearly know that's a false assumption. I know we need more transparency in science - sharing of data and code, and negative results. But institutionally, I don't know how we get there wi…

It's not just the subsidies, but how they are awarded - right on with the "structure of the academic enterprise".

Consider: To get promoted to professorship, you have to selected by slighly hoarier professors; to be selected, you have to have published works, which are (anonymously) reviewed by other professors, and be awarded grants with (anonymous) review committees of other professors. You probably went to grad school under the tutelage of professors in the same circle... And at least in the past scientists were sufficiently generalist that you had a wide pool of fellows who were reviewing your work at all stages; now we have siloed subdisciplines (like "chemical biology" - which, mind you is not the same as "biological chemistry" or "biochemistry"), and the emergence of "interdisciplinary research" which somehow instead of encouraging generalism, instead promoted dilettantes who couldn't hack it in either of their parent fields...

Is there any wonder why research is increasingly unreliable?

Re: To an alarming degree, science is not self-correcting

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In my experience at the university performing graduate research -

* Newness is prized

* Replicating old science is not prized

* Funding and papers happens for breakthroughs

In software engineering -

* many bugs in code creep through exacting peer reviews.

Recapping the short list: new things make you money, reviewing things is error prone, replicating old things doesn't make you money until someone wants to rely on them. Hmmmm. The disincentives to replicate unapplied research speak for themselves.

What then is to be done beyond hand-wringing and moaning?

Several things have to happen: First, grants need to be given for replication of research- replication needs to be an thing that is frequently done. Second, papers (dis)proving prior results (or disproving, period) need to be a recognized category in journals. I do not mean that disproving someone else's pet theory in favor of yours; I mean disproving the result, period; regardless of whether it helps advance your particular line of work.

From someone who's currently in industry (and is looking towards going back for the PhD), I encourage the academics to open up and/or push the area of "negative results" as a recognized category of paper. If you have graduate students that can't reproduce prior work - please have them publish that!

There have been occasional comments about Journals of Negative Results; maybe those could come to fruition sometime. :-)

Re: To an alarming degree, science is not self-correcting

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This is an excellent overview article on an important topic. It mentions many of the most influential authors on the topic of accuracy of scientific publications.

Hacker News readers may enjoy "Warning Signs in Experimental Design and Interpretation"[1] by Peter Norvig, a LISP hacker who is now director of research at Google, on how to interpret scientific research. Norvig's essay is my all-time favorite link to share in a Hacker News comment. That's because we see submissions here every day of preliminary studies that can be analyzed by Norvig's checklist on research issues to look for when reading about a scientific finding.

I discuss psychology research weekly with a group of psychologists who study human behavior genetics in a "journal club" (graduate seminar course). Those researchers have told me about other researchers who are trying to clean up the published literature in psychology, for example Jelte Wicherts, whose article "Letting the daylight in: reviewing the reviewers and other ways to maximize transparency in science"[2] in an open-access journal suggests general procedures to improve scientific publishing, for example by changing the incentive structure around reviewing papers submitted for publication. Another helpful researcher on statistical tests to verify results is Uri Simonsohn. The papers he and his colleagues produce[3] are thought-provoking, pointed, and sometimes laugh-out-loud funny.

[1] http://norvig.com/experiment-design.html

[2] Jelte M. Wicherts, Rogier A. Kievit, Marjan Bakker and Denny Borsboom. Letting the daylight in: reviewing the reviewers and other ways to maximize transparency in science. Front. Comput. Neurosci., 03 April 2012 doi: 10.3389/fncom.2012.00020

http://www.frontiersin.org/Computational_Neuroscience/10.338...

[3] http://opim.wharton.upenn.edu/~uws/

Re: To an alarming degree, science is not self-correcting

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The truth machine is broken. How do we fix it? And why is it that whenever I see a list of the "top 10 most important problems" to solve, this isn't on it? Most educated people take the veracity of published science as given, and we clearly know that's a false assumption. I know we need more transparency in science - sharing of data and code, and negative results. But institutionally, I don't know how we get there wi…

So there's an interesting topic hidden in your comment. What is truth? I don't mean to ask that in a flippant way. I mean to ask it in a way that has an answer - or at least a reliable set of answers. Of course this is a philosophical debate of long standing, but it has a lot of relevance for today.

What do you mean by truth? How do you attain to truth?

Is truth what is objectively perceived? If so, how do you determine what is the shared subjective perception of the exterior world? Is truth possible to attain to? Should we instead focus on finding and sharing working(up to tolerance) models of the reality we encounter?

This is sort of a big debate in philosophy of science circles. You can see traces of it in Popper, Feyerabend, and a few others you can rummage up on Wikipedia. These are the questions that frame how you do research, how you present research, and the expectations of reliability of research.

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This article re-hashes much of the content of Ben Goldacre's book 'Bad Pharma', however it does not propose any solutions (Ben Goldacre does). There is plenty that can be done with legislation, as a customer of healthcare and in clinical trials. If all trials - good results or bad - were published then we would be half way there.

http://www.badscience.net/2013/10/why-and-how-i-wrote-bad-ph...

The article mentions the company 'Amgen' and how they were not able to reproduce some earlier trial results. Alarm bells went off for me right there at the word 'Amgen'. They were the company that had the wonder drug EPO, as in of Lance Armstrong fame. That story is truly fascinating and best pieced together from the book 'Blood Medicine':

http://www.bloodmedicine.info/

...and from the cycling scandal books that have came out recently, e.g. Tyler Hamilton's.

Re: To an alarming degree, science is not self-correcting

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I wonder if much of it is not being corrected because it simply isn't important enough? Like the example of "think about a professor before an exam to get higher scores". I suspect that if for example some medication against HIV is found to not work, it will be thrown out again quickly.

Re: To an alarming degree, science is not self-correcting

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The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn has some interesting commentary on how invalid scientific models of our world are eventually (and painfully) discharged. It's the book that coined the term "paradigm shift". This article tends to focus more on bad science, but I think the book is still at least partially relevant.

I'm not a fan of Kuhn, largely because he can be read as saying that, indeed, scientific models that get "overthrown" in a paradigm shift are therefore "invalid". (In the extreme, this leads to complete relativism, the idea that there is no such thing as a "valid" model at all. Kuhn himself has waffled on this point: sometimes he says he didn't really mean to take that extreme view, but other times he says things that are really hard to make sense of in any other way.) That leads people to believe that, for example, Newtonian physics must be "invalid" because it was "overthrown" by relativity. But it's really hard to square that claim with the fact that Newtonian physics (along with many other supposedly "invalid" models) gets used every day to make accurate predictions.

I think the bad science described in the article is, at least in part, a reflection of our losing sight of that ultimate objective: we build scientific models of the world in order to make accurate predictions. It's not enough to say, well, I used all the right statistical techniques, I used all the right double-blind control procedures, my results have been replicated. Those things are all necessary, but they're not sufficient; they're not the goal, they're only the starting point. The goal is to make accurate predictions. I think we get a lot of bad science because we don't enforce that requirement enough.

Re: To an alarming degree, science is not self-correcting

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The truth machine is broken. How do we fix it? And why is it that whenever I see a list of the "top 10 most important problems" to solve, this isn't on it? Most educated people take the veracity of published science as given, and we clearly know that's a false assumption. I know we need more transparency in science - sharing of data and code, and negative results. But institutionally, I don't know how we get there wi…

Most educated people take the veracity of published science as given

That's the root problem right there.

Re: To an alarming degree, science is not self-correcting

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The truth machine is broken. How do we fix it? And why is it that whenever I see a list of the "top 10 most important problems" to solve, this isn't on it? Most educated people take the veracity of published science as given, and we clearly know that's a false assumption. I know we need more transparency in science - sharing of data and code, and negative results. But institutionally, I don't know how we get there wi…

So there's an interesting topic hidden in your comment. What is truth? I don't mean to ask that in a flippant way. I mean to ask it in a way that has an answer - or at least a reliable set of answers. Of course this is a philosophical debate of long standing, but it has a lot of relevance for today. What do you mean by truth? How do you attain to truth? Is truth what is objectively perceived? If so, how do you determ…

In my experience, when most engineering-oriented people use the word truth, they (wittingly or unwittling) mean the pragmatic definition of "allows us to make stronger-than-previous predictive models about something". Most of the argument in philosophy of science circles strikes me as meta-interesting, not eminently relevant to the practice of science.

Especially when dealing with psychology, a lot of those "what, exactly, is an electron" sort of deeply epistemological statements are not really asked, because we have enough trouble with the simplistic models we have.

So yeah, my recommendation (for what it is worth) is to always assume "most predictive model available" when someone says truth, and be aware that you are making that assumption and that simplification.

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