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Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

#101

Let me guess. Postgres 9.1, Ruby 1.9.1, PHP 5.3.11, a lot of extremely old packages... Please tell me if I'm wrong! I'm really tired of the software world moving forward and Ubuntu turning into Debian Woody.

You could try out Sabayon Linux, it is basically a Gentoo with an installer and binary package manager. equo (rigo/apper for a GUI). The good thing is that it's backwards compatible to Gentoo's source based package manager "emerge" and a very easy to use.

What Linux/Unix distro you use is up to you though and I will not start a debate. I understand that it makes sense in the enterprise field to only use the most popular and stable OS, to benefit from the Community and Support.

However OSX and Linux Mint, Fedora and Sabayon are the most User Friendly Linuces that I know from my experience. And I've tried most of the stuff on DistroWatch and some that aren't even listed on DistroWatch.

No matter how you dislike Windows, it's still a very solid platform to develop Desktop or Web Applications. I am biased, because I don't like Microsoft, but that doesn't allow me to judge on the effectivity of their software. It does the job. The same, or better can be said about Mac OSX, Ubuntu, Sabayon, Arch Linux and Gentoo which are the most developer friendly environments you can get your hands on. Never force your top developer or sysadmin to use another Linux/Unix than he prefers! Really don't do that. It's like giving your Top-Employee an ugly haircut, he'll leave and not come back or loose effectivity.

Now in practice you might say, this is different and people have their tastes. Totally right and they have their right to like what they want!! But I introduced an entire development team consisting of about 20 people to Mac OSX and Ubuntu. They had the choice to choose their favorite development environment, but 50% of them switched to Ubuntu, 30% switched to Mac OSX and 20% stayed with Windows. The latter stayed with Windows, because it was too much hassle for them to port all projects and settings over. Even the most fanatic Windows user tried Ubuntu Linux out and was totally blown away after a week of trial.

This helped us to standardize development standards and deploy Ubuntu images to new employees so that they don't have to manually set things up, but can start working after only a few minutes of waiting.

At the time I arrived at the company, I had to use Windows although I requested using my favorite Linux distro. They simply had "no time", to allow me setting the machine up. The result: The Windows box I got was very instable and their ancient svn architecture (without development branch!! All changes were live and they had 500+ customers) continuously helped to crash the buggy Eclipse installation they gave me (weren't allowed to fix it myself).

That made the impression that I work slow, so the Boss sat next to me and stress-tested my ability to live-code what he braindumps into production within 10min while looking over my shoulder. They still use my work and yes, I could finally convert them partly to Git after some months. However I was moved to management and a slow OSX box. Don't get a wrong impression, I had to now work on many APIs, many Back-Ends and integrate our software. And additionally hang on the phone/headset talking with tech or ceo/sales while doing that. So after dealing with their customers and organizing things, I couldn't but quit the job. It was boring and I didn't learn new things, but were forced to use the slow or buggy machine even though I noticeably made things more effective internally. They basically used me as much as they were able to, making empty promises all way long. And to be honest, they weren't even able to do that correctly, they could've used me to do much more, but wanted me to focus only on core-value problems. Corporate culture in a Startup, I hate it! That's my experience, your mileage may vary.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

#102
post #82

I upgraded my 13.04 system this morning and now it is unfortunately unusable. Any time I try to switch users, it consistently brings me to a black screen with a frozen mouse pointer that I cannot get out of, even when hitting Ctrl+Alt+F#. I'm downloading the iso now to try a fresh install.

Mine (Asus Zenbook ux31a) doesn't even boot to dekstop anymore with the default kernel. X server just says fatal error, no screens found. Using kernel 3.8 now and things seems to work.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

#103

Let me guess. Postgres 9.1, Ruby 1.9.1, PHP 5.3.11, a lot of extremely old packages... Please tell me if I'm wrong! I'm really tired of the software world moving forward and Ubuntu turning into Debian Woody.

You can check it yourself on http://packages.ubuntu.com

php 5.5.3+dfsg-1ubuntu2

postgres 9.3+146really9.1+148

ruby 1:1.9.3

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

#104

Let me guess. Postgres 9.1, Ruby 1.9.1, PHP 5.3.11, a lot of extremely old packages... Please tell me if I'm wrong! I'm really tired of the software world moving forward and Ubuntu turning into Debian Woody.

The fish shell has been bumped up to 2.0, I'm happy about that.

I agree they should really have postgres 9.2 in Saucy, so it would be very stable by 14.04.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

#105
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> Ubuntu is developed in the open Though mostly "open", but not developed entirely in the right free software / open source spirit of community involvement and upstream contributions.

Of course it's not developed 100% entirely in the open and with "spirit of community". Name one company that meets this standard.

Mozilla.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

#106
post #82

I upgraded my 13.04 system this morning and now it is unfortunately unusable. Any time I try to switch users, it consistently brings me to a black screen with a frozen mouse pointer that I cannot get out of, even when hitting Ctrl+Alt+F#. I'm downloading the iso now to try a fresh install.

Mine (Asus Zenbook ux31a) doesn't even boot to dekstop anymore with the default kernel. X server just says fatal error, no screens found. Using kernel 3.8 now and things seems to work.

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Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

#107
post #82

I upgraded my 13.04 system this morning and now it is unfortunately unusable. Any time I try to switch users, it consistently brings me to a black screen with a frozen mouse pointer that I cannot get out of, even when hitting Ctrl+Alt+F#. I'm downloading the iso now to try a fresh install.

I have always found that continous upgrade eventually break the system. A clean install should be the recommended choice.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

#108
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Ubuntu is not going the direction I want for "my Linux. 1. Mir is a huge mistake (My opinion) 2. Unity (Well I am tiled window manager (i3) guy now so all DEs) I really don't like the flow of OS X and it is starting to really look more like OS X. DEFAULT an easily be changed. 3. Lack of community between the Linux ecosystem. Millions is spent on Ubuntu but seems like little makes it upstream. 4. Software Center. They…

All of your complaints seem to be about the defaults. That's fine, but I don't see that it makes sense to switch distribution because you don't like the defaults, given that all the other options are available inside Debian and/or Ubuntu as well. There's Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Kubuntu etc. all of which have different desktop environment defaults, enthusiastic developers who look after it. Some intend to swit…

ripb "All of your complaints seem to be about the defaults."

Only one of five is a default issue and I even declared it a default issue and how I go around defaults.

1. Mir is a huge mistake (My opinion)

2. Unity (Well I am tiled window manager (i3) guy now so all DEs) I really don't like the flow of OS X and it is starting to really look more like OS X. DEFAULT an easily be changed.

3. Lack of community between the Linux ecosystem. Millions is spent on Ubuntu but seems like little makes it upstream.

4. Software Center. They need to just take OpenSUSE's one-click model and get rid of their current model of App Store and the horrible app model. (My model)

5. Their Developer SDK to "Write once, run everywhere." If I had a nickel for every time that was promised (Java looking at you) Once again OpenSUSE Build Service is the most underused Linux tool in the last decade

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

#109
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Last time I was using Ubuntu+Unity as my main desktop (11.xx), I used `xmodmap` to swap my keys, and found that every so often it'd be reverted. Have you experienced similar problems with this technique?

IIRC I didn't finding any easy way of making xmodmap settings persist over reboot, so I just took had a script that runs "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" run at startup. (Of course then I switched to xfce on my laptop, which seems to run its own xmodmap command after its run startup scripts or something which overrides them, which is kinda annoying, haven't found a nice way to get around that).

Try putting your `xmodmap' command in `~/.xinitrc'. It gets read whenever the X server starts (`startx').

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

#110
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> People need to look at OpenSUSE again! Isn't it really beautiful that we actually can do this, now? We can switch platforms within the same day - without real hassle or pain. I mean tell a Windows or Apple user that they need to look at something else, and guess what their answer will be...

This argument is akin to saying "isn't it beautiful that I can go from Lion to Mountain Lion within the same day". You aren't changing much, just who packaged the software together.

The point is that in the linux world you're choosing between competing distributors. In your example, they're both from Apple.

In the linux world you get a combination of 1. low switching costs between competitors (because, as you point out, most of the software is the same), and 2. competition between distributors. With Microsoft and Apple, if you want to choose between competitors, the cost of switching between them is much higher.

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