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Re: Visual Studio 2013 released to web

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Post by spoiledtechie »

acqq wrote: post #53

In VS 2012 MSFT removed the color for the icons in the UI. Everybody complained on the web. Now the color icons are back. MSFT's spin: "Visual Studio 2013 includes many user interface improvements based on customer feedback and Microsoft’s core design principle of keeping the focus on the content to deliver an improved user experience. You may notice the more than 400 modified icons with greater differentiation and i…

Your arguing semantics. "Customer Feedback" is all thats needed. Stop hating and go download it!

Re: Visual Studio 2013 released to web

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Post by anton_gogolev »

acqq wrote: post #60
atwebb wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they put it back and now people are unhappy a company didn't flat out say they made a bad decision? Spin is everywhere, startups seem worse than others. Every day there's something on the HN front page that's going to revolutionize and disrupt the internet...

No, I'm unhappy that they kept the capitals in menus(!) like "FILE" "EDIT" "VIEW" "PROJECT" "BUILD" even though there were enough complaints about these too. I'm also unhappy there's no real Start menu back in W8.1.

At least this one is trivial to fix: http://stackoverflow.com/a/17413002/60188

Re: Visual Studio 2013 released to web

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Post by breischl »

anton_gogolev wrote: post #21
daigoba66 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For installers, use http://wixtoolset.org/ .

Yeah, because I really want to spend hours upon hours studying obscure incantations that someone decided to be making sense. WiX (and MSI, for that matter) is a disaster.

Wait, weren't you complaining about all the "wizard clickety clicky" things in another thread?

If you hate wizards, and you hate "obscure incantations", which I'm assuming means code, then what do you like? Do you program in natural language with voice recognition?

Re: Visual Studio 2013 released to web

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Post by saejox »

"Please install Internet Explorer 10 and then retry installing Visual Studio"

Internet Explorer 10 also insists on Windows 7 SP1 installation. I'm using this Win7 install since 2009. I'm very scared the update will jinx it.

Re: Visual Studio 2013 released to web

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Post by apaprocki »

teamonkey wrote: post #50

Fully-integrated TypeScript support! For me that elevates TypeScript from a MS side project to something they're serious about.

From their TypeScript blog post re: path to 1.0:

"There are now dozens of large applications written by teams in Microsoft, including Bing, Xbox, TFS, So.cl, as well as in projects such as Adobe Digital Publishing Suite for Windows 8.1, Zud.io, Away3D, and Turbulenz."

I think they've been pretty serious about it from the start due to the design decisions in Metro.

Re: Visual Studio 2013 released to web

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Post by at-fates-hands »

duiker101 wrote: post #20
Pxtl wrote: post #12

VS2012 took out installer projects (instead telling you to just use InstallShield), SQLCLR projects, was incompatible with Oleg Sych's T4 Toolbox plug-in, and had a colour-scheme in the TFS source browser that made my eyes want to bleed. Every other VS upgrade has been comparatively painless. I can't say I'm excited to try VS2013.

I think the problem here is that VS needs to satisfy the needs of many different types of developers and also try to appeal each ones personal preferences. Personally I am enjoying VS2012 a lot and it is really sad that there are hardly other IDEs this good.

I completely agree. I've gone through plenty of good IDE's in the last year. From Dreamweaver, to Text Mate, to Komodo, to Aptana.

I started using VS when I landed in a .Net shop and it made sense to use it. Totally blown away by some of the cooler features you can't find on any other IDE. Even the free VS Express (which I now use at home) is so much better than other IDE's out there.

Re: Visual Studio 2013 released to web

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Post by pmelendez »

scrabble wrote: post #2

I'm still using VS 2010 at work. Can't seem to make a compelling case to upgrade for the cost, and it's just getting more frustrating. VS 2013 is looking like a really great product, especially in comparison to VS 2010.

Depending on what are you using, C++11 complete support is more that enough reason for upgrade to me. :)

Re: Visual Studio 2013 released to web

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Post by jbigelow76 »

anton_gogolev wrote: post #42
archon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> pander to web monkeys Really? How exactly does VS2012 pander to "web monkeys" at the expense of others?

It's not necessarily "monkeys", but, disturbingly, Microsoft developer tools are becoming more and more oriented towards "wizard-and-designer-clickety-clickery" type development. There are a few exceptions to this rule (think EF Code-First), but that's a drop in the ocean.

    >Microsoft developer tools are becoming more and more oriented towards "wizard-and-designer-clickety-clickery" type development.
Weird, I have the exact opposite impression. It seems like forever ago that VS was touting things like drag and drop design or wizardy stuff.
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