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Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by rudiger »

thejosh wrote: post #35
diminish wrote: post #34

I'll stick to 12.04 LTS for desktop and server and wait for 14.04 LTS for desktop and server. 9 months support made *.10 releases less exciting, for me somehow.

For my workstation as a web developer, I use Ubuntu with LXDE running the latest releases as it's always nice to have the latest software, if I had to support users I would use 12.04 though. Servers is quite nice with 12.04 though, and that's what they are designed for.

How does Ubuntu with LXDE compare with Xubuntu (another lightweight desktop environment)?

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by puller »

Demiurge wrote: post #51
jon-wood wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having spent yesterday setting up a new laptop to dual boot Windows and Ubuntu, Ubuntu works far, far better. Windows needed drivers installing for everything from the network interface up. And I'm still having troubles with the network - I can use wifi fine, but the wired connection refuses to pick up an IP with DHCP. Ubuntu on the other hand needed a single change to the boot parameters to make screen brightness ad…

Are you saying Ubuntu has better driver support than Windows?

I think the point was that it frequently has a simpler install experience, which is true. It doesn't have better driver support for ATI video cards or Broadcom wifi cards.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by puller »

rudiger wrote: post #61
thejosh wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For my workstation as a web developer, I use Ubuntu with LXDE running the latest releases as it's always nice to have the latest software, if I had to support users I would use 12.04 though. Servers is quite nice with 12.04 though, and that's what they are designed for.

How does Ubuntu with LXDE compare with Xubuntu (another lightweight desktop environment)?

Lubuntu is more lightweight, which will be important for older and lower powered machines (or if speed is a huge deal for you), but certain things might be a bit less polished. You would have to try it to see if it works for you. Xubuntu is a bit more full-featured and can feel somewhat like Gnome 2 did back in the day. But there's no reason you can't install both and try them on any Ubuntu machine, these are really just packages and defaults rather than completely different distros.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by diminish »

thejosh wrote: post #35
diminish wrote: post #34

I'll stick to 12.04 LTS for desktop and server and wait for 14.04 LTS for desktop and server. 9 months support made *.10 releases less exciting, for me somehow.

For my workstation as a web developer, I use Ubuntu with LXDE running the latest releases as it's always nice to have the latest software, if I had to support users I would use 12.04 though. Servers is quite nice with 12.04 though, and that's what they are designed for.

i finally switched to xmonad 6 months ago, tamed few apps and tiling windows manager. It really changed the way I worked in positive direction.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by jsvaughan »

eterm wrote: post #28
abbot2 wrote: post #10

To be honest "what's new" page looks, well, not very convincing: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/whats-new.html

As someone who doesn't use the dash, I am wondering what's in it for me. Personally I've tried a few distributions over the last year or so because I've been unhappy with unity but Ubuntu's ease of use still makes me return to it, although right now I'm typing this from a Debian box. I didn't like the dreadful* gnome3 speed so switched to i3. Now if I could just work out how to stop the lazy window focus... The troub…

Assuming you are running 13.04 currently then you'll have a 3.8 kernel. 13.10 has a 3.11 kernel so you also get:

(3.11) http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.11 (3.10)http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.10 (3.9) http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.9

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by endijs »

qznc wrote: post #54
endijs wrote: post #40

Web is finally refreshed. And release notes are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes

Quite boring for desktop end users. No real changes. That is probably a good thing, since changes in Ubuntu usually means breakage.

On Destkop there is reason to upgrade if you are using stock software and kernel (as I'm). Unity in 13.10 feels more responsive than in 13.04 was. Pretty much everything is bumped to newer versions. Even things in VirtualBox work faster now (13.04 was installing 4.2.10, but 13.10 is installing 4.2.16). Dont know what is the reason for speed gains - Kernel in Ubuntu or newer VirtualBox. One thing to do after upgrade is to disable smart scopes. No reason to share search queries with Canonical. I was hoping that 13.10 will solve my sound problems, but no luck. Just like in 13.04 i hear crackling noises. But those are specifics of my laptop.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by puller »

qznc wrote: post #54
endijs wrote: post #40

Web is finally refreshed. And release notes are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes

Quite boring for desktop end users. No real changes. That is probably a good thing, since changes in Ubuntu usually means breakage.

I don't think you are fair to Ubuntu in this comment. Change in Fedora or Debian Testing usually means breakage. I hear Arch breaks things now and then too. Even Windows breaks things... in all cases, this is avoided by choosing a stable or LTS variant and upgrading less frequently.

There aren't that many top tier distributions to choose from, the main choice is how much time you want packages tested before using them. If you want more testing and older packages, use Debian Stable, Ubuntu LTS, Redhat/CentOS... but don't stack the deck against Ubuntu by comparing its fresh distro to other people's LTS distros, compare apples to apples.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by spindritf »

endijs wrote: post #67
qznc wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite boring for desktop end users. No real changes. That is probably a good thing, since changes in Ubuntu usually means breakage.

On Destkop there is reason to upgrade if you are using stock software and kernel (as I'm). Unity in 13.10 feels more responsive than in 13.04 was. Pretty much everything is bumped to newer versions. Even things in VirtualBox work faster now (13.04 was installing 4.2.10, but 13.10 is installing 4.2.16). Dont know what is the reason for speed gains - Kernel in Ubuntu or newer VirtualBox. One thing to do after upgrade i…

VirtulBox offers a repo for Ubuntu.

    deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian raring contrib non-free

    $ VirtualBox --help
    Oracle VM VirtualBox Manager 4.2.18
It also carries virtualbox-4.3 if you're feeling adventurous.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Post by chatman »

rlpb wrote: post #2

No, it's not released. The release is imminent. Ubuntu is developed in the open, so you get to see candidate release images on the page linked. Ubuntu is not released until the release is announced. If you're in doubt, expect to see an announcement on the ubuntu-announce mailing list, or its archive at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ Also see #ubuntu-release-party on Freenode. At the moment, the to…

> Ubuntu is developed in the open

Though mostly "open", but not developed entirely in the right free software / open source spirit of community involvement and upstream contributions.

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