It would be really interesting to compare this to private sector jobs (where applicable) taking into consideration pension, benefits, etc.
US Federal Employee Salaries (2012)
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#63Um.... I know it's probably your core business and all, but from a civic standpoint, would you mind posting the raw data so we can play with it? EDIT: Thanks folks!
sure! we actually posted a link to the raw CSV before we pushed this in the beginning of the shutdown: https://twitter.com/enigma_io/status/385166410063691776
Very cool, thanks! Already having some fun:
Location with highest average salary among stations with >25 federal employees:
Islip, NY - 496 employees
$43,162 min
$140,781 avg
$179,700 max
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#64wow a librarian at a GS14 level: [name removed] DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH SERVICE LIBRARIAN Maryland Prince George's County BELTSVILLE GS 14 119238 I know the GS schedule is based on how long you work as opposed to how well you work, but i didn't think that non-STEM or non-Management roles made above GS11 or 12.
Unless you're talking about a public library catering to homeless people and children, a "librarian" is typically an educated professional, usually with an advanced degree, who has enough subject matter expertise to efficiently help researchers find relevant materials.
interestingly enough i know a few people with masters in library science - though, they studied how to organize and present information as opposed to holding a subject matter expertise (in this case agriculture)
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
~161k are! second only to "N/A": http://cl.ly/image/3U2K232E3102
~1,189k are not!
Much less than that.
Bethesda and Rockville are, for all practical purposes, "DC", as are Beltsville, Suitland, Arlington, VA, and a bunch of other locations that are listed in that data. Segmenting them out is like not considering MIT or Harvard as part of the college scene in Boston because they are in Cambridge, which is just being uselessly pedantic.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of the people who are making 100-200k would make at the very least double that if they were in the private sector. A GS-15 is equivalent to a Brigadier General(Who would be in charge of thousands of people). Now, keep in mind that some technology positions have inflated GS ranks because it was the only way they could get the salaries high enough to attract talent. Security analysts and programmers don't come che…
> Most of the people who are making 100-200k would make at the very least double that if they were in the private sector. The base salary would double. However they'd be left without a pension, and other benefits though I think the pension is easily the largest monetary value.
Pension's great, but you don't come close to making up the difference between that and receiving twice as much of a salary.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're right, I was a rank off. That being said, a Colonel is often still in charge of a couple thousand people.
I disagree. I worked with plenty of AF Col's in the 5-sided-puzzle-palace that managed offices with 15-30 folks. They worked alongside a GS-13 to GS-15 types.
This is where it starts breaking down though, as rank increases (GS or other) responsibility increases. This is often most clearly seen with the number of people you're charged with, but less clearly is when it's the work itself. Either as a specialist or leading a group of specialists, or managing particularly big projects (so you don't directly manage thousands, but the scope of the project may place you indirectly in charge of them).
Re: US Federal Employee Salaries (2012)
#68Um.... I know it's probably your core business and all, but from a civic standpoint, would you mind posting the raw data so we can play with it? EDIT: Thanks folks!
sure! we actually posted a link to the raw CSV before we pushed this in the beginning of the shutdown: https://twitter.com/enigma_io/status/385166410063691776
Maybe I've lost something in all the details, how is this list compiled?
I was born in DC and grew up in the area, as such I know a lot of current federal employees who should be on a 2012 list. I grepped for a handful of names of folks I know personally and so far found only one. (For privacy reasons I will not share the names of non-matches here.)
Update: Ok, I've found two now. Still many more non-matches than matches.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of the people who are making 100-200k would make at the very least double that if they were in the private sector. A GS-15 is equivalent to a Brigadier General(Who would be in charge of thousands of people). Now, keep in mind that some technology positions have inflated GS ranks because it was the only way they could get the salaries high enough to attract talent. Security analysts and programmers don't come che…
> Most of the people who are making 100-200k would make at the very least double that if they were in the private sector. The base salary would double. However they'd be left without a pension, and other benefits though I think the pension is easily the largest monetary value.
OPM estimates that FERS pension and retiree health benefits add 18% to overall pay.
Let's use as an example someone with 20 years of federal service and a highest 3 years salary of $150k. The FERS benefit is roughly 1.1% * 20 * 150k = $33k/year. That's a 25-year annuity of $450k. To accumulate $450k over 20 years, that's about $12k per year, or 8% of income. People who serve longer will get a bigger pension, but the nature of the $100k+ positions in the federal government is that they require advanced degrees, extensive work experience in the private sector, etc, which limits the overall length of service.
If you're an educated professional (say an antitrust economist at the DOJ), you'll make a lot less money in federal service even accounting for benefits. On the other hand, if you're a document clerk, you'll make a lot more.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're right, I was a rank off. That being said, a Colonel is often still in charge of a couple thousand people.
I disagree. I worked with plenty of AF Col's in the 5-sided-puzzle-palace that managed offices with 15-30 folks. They worked alongside a GS-13 to GS-15 types.
What happens in D.C. isn't really representative of the rest of the military. A normal Colonel will be a Brigade Commander, in charge of at least 3 battalions, which each contain hundreds of people.