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Snapchat admits to handing unopened 'snaps' to US law enforcement

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Re: Snapchat admits to handing unopened 'snaps' to US law enforcement

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or teen sexting, you know. Child pornography production is a serious offence.

Two 15 year olds sexting is mutual pornography production in the US?

Doesn't even have to be two people. A 15 year old taking nude self photos will be in possession of child pornography.[1]

[1] http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_12006602

Re: Snapchat admits to handing unopened 'snaps' to US law enforcement

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post #19

Wait a minute, "thought to be worth $800m"? Is that "m" for "million" and that dollar sign for "dollars"? Has the whole world gone crazy?

It has, a long time ago.

Do you remember when we thought that Twitter was a stupid idea? When "I'll publish pictures of my food" was not worth a billion dollars?

The idea of drawing something with someone else alone was valued at 180 million. Think about it.

Re: Snapchat admits to handing unopened 'snaps' to US law enforcement

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If they are targeting a system like snapchat which has at least made some effort to make data retention and recovery a bit harder (in the company own interest and/or its users), is it presumable that they are also after messaging systems which make substantially less or no effort at all to limit data retention like for example kik messager which is getting bigger and bigger? (not to talk about whatsapp where, adding to this, your ID is your phone number...)?

Re: Snapchat admits to handing unopened 'snaps' to US law enforcement

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post #19

Wait a minute, "thought to be worth $800m"? Is that "m" for "million" and that dollar sign for "dollars"? Has the whole world gone crazy?

A friend and I came up with a rule of thumb. If there's an internet company and at least 1 in 20 of your friend group is familiar with it then it's probably worth a billion dollars on paper.

Obviously that doesn't make sense, but neither does any valuation in tech right now.

Re: Snapchat admits to handing unopened 'snaps' to US law enforcement

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or teen sexting, you know. Child pornography production is a serious offence.

Two 15 year olds sexting is mutual pornography production in the US?

Not production. Having pictures of yourself is fine in most western jurisdictions (US, UK, rest of Europe) though it is more problematic (or just plain stoning-is-too-good-for-you illegal) some paces elsewhere.

As soon as the image is sent though, most legislatures consider that pornographic distribution. Here in the UK for instance you could at least be prosecuted under the Obscene Publications Act.

Having such a picture of someone else is also against the letter of the relevant laws even if the subject of the image sent it to you.

Like laws covering the age of consent for explicit sexual activity (which varies between 14 and 21 depending on where you are and sometimes depending on your gender and orientation) it gets more complicated if an image crosses state borders (sender and recipient being in different states/countries). Generally speaking you would find yourself judged against the strictest of the laws involved, not the most lenient, where there is variation.

Re: Snapchat admits to handing unopened 'snaps' to US law enforcement

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post #6

Yep, society cooperates with law enforcement. It's been that way for about six or seven thousand years. In this case it was in response to search warrants. If you're not outraged, you've been paying enough attention.

To many, the dream of the Internet was a space to challenge and re-evaluate these structures. Something likened to starting fresh, naive as it may be.

People have been disappointed with the seeming death of this dream, and very recent revelations have exposed just how much that dream failed to be achieved. And very vocal, as one would expect from a league of very frustrated dreamers.

Re: Snapchat admits to handing unopened 'snaps' to US law enforcement

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not finding much sympathy for users of a system built on the premise that they should not have access to data on their own device One of the more out-of-touch HN comments I've seen in a while. And that's saying a lot! Look at it this way: the person sending the snapchat owns the "data", and is just granting the recipient permission to watch it for ~10 seconds.

To the surprise of no one, this isn't possible and Snapchat has already been cracked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24533919

Not a big deal because the real use case is a user that doesn't want someone else (say parents or SO) to come along later and find the pictures.

Re: Snapchat admits to handing unopened 'snaps' to US law enforcement

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post #19

Wait a minute, "thought to be worth $800m"? Is that "m" for "million" and that dollar sign for "dollars"? Has the whole world gone crazy?

It has, a long time ago. Do you remember when we thought that Twitter was a stupid idea? When "I'll publish pictures of my food" was not worth a billion dollars? The idea of drawing something with someone else alone was valued at 180 million. Think about it.

I actually never thought Twitter was a stupid idea, but point taken. I shall quit my job and get my shit together posthaste.
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