Why Mono doesn't suck
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Why Mono doesn't suck
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#2It's a good article though I'd go so far as to say the piece it responds to isn't worthy of a response. Take this quote...
"Nothing that comes from Microsoft can be for our good and benefit. They are dedicated to our destruction and downfall.
Mono has infected Gnome. Ubuntu uses Gnome. I switched to Kubuntu and am happy with it. Now Moonlight is infecting Linux."
There are two parts to the Linux community. One part sees Linux as a legitimate tool they can use to bring down costs while maintaining stability. The other sees this as some kind of holy war and is really just using Linux to act like drama queens.
The link here is a good defense of Mono but the people he's trying to defend it to are never going to listen.
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#3Mono has such a bad reputation. If they want to get market, they will probably have to pull a Bing, i.e. rebrand it.
Unfortunately, they don't have $100m to pour into marketing.
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#4Mono has such a bad reputation. If they want to get market, they will probably have to pull a Bing, i.e. rebrand it. Unfortunately, they don't have $100m to pour into marketing.
I think you miss the point. They already have market. Most Corporate Networks run on Windows Servers. What Mono does is allow those Windows shops with their .Net experienced developers to start experimenting with and hopefully integrating Linux. Without having to change the language and framework they've standardized on.
In that way it gives Linux an inroad it didn't have before Mono.
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#5I always thought that it was a bit of a marketing blunder naming it the same as the slang term for glandular fever.
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#6Mono has such a bad reputation. If they want to get market, they will probably have to pull a Bing, i.e. rebrand it. Unfortunately, they don't have $100m to pour into marketing.
I think you miss the point. They already have market. Most Corporate Networks run on Windows Servers. What Mono does is allow those Windows shops with their .Net experienced developers to start experimenting with and hopefully integrating Linux. Without having to change the language and framework they've standardized on. In that way it gives Linux an inroad it didn't have before Mono.
Yes and no. I think that, given all the money and hard work poured into it, Mono is, relative to other languages and things out there, not as popular as it "ought" to be. Here we have a first-rate JIT compiled language that's completely free (no Java ambiguity), with a team of smart hackers behind it, and yet not that many people use it. I don't, nor do I know anyone who does, besides one of the core developers who lives here in Padova.
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you miss the point. They already have market. Most Corporate Networks run on Windows Servers. What Mono does is allow those Windows shops with their .Net experienced developers to start experimenting with and hopefully integrating Linux. Without having to change the language and framework they've standardized on. In that way it gives Linux an inroad it didn't have before Mono.
Yes and no. I think that, given all the money and hard work poured into it, Mono is, relative to other languages and things out there, not as popular as it "ought" to be. Here we have a first-rate JIT compiled language that's completely free (no Java ambiguity), with a team of smart hackers behind it, and yet not that many people use it. I don't, nor do I know anyone who does, besides one of the core developers who l…
Well as the head of an IT department that does use Windows servers I can tell you you're right but the reason has little to do with Mono itself.
Here's the thing you have to understand about corporate IT: Support is king. Unlike startups which are filled with technical people company's have only a few IT people and usually only one whose knowledge is at a high enough level to even think of editing the source of an open source project. So you need to have a support option in place.
Now Microsoft has support contracts but even if you don't purchase one you can get support for $245 per incident on any Windows Server issue. Our agency of 200 computers uses this option once, maybe twice per year. Novell on the other hand offers support for Mono but it's sold in packs of 25 incidents and costs $13,000. So no matter how much Linux and Mono can save your company the outrageous support costs make it virtually unjustifiable.
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#8It's a good article though I'd go so far as to say the piece it responds to isn't worthy of a response. Take this quote... "Nothing that comes from Microsoft can be for our good and benefit. They are dedicated to our destruction and downfall. Mono has infected Gnome. Ubuntu uses Gnome. I switched to Kubuntu and am happy with it. Now Moonlight is infecting Linux." There are two parts to the Linux community. One part s…
"The other sees this as some kind of holy war and is really just using Linux to act like drama queens."
No need to deride an entire class of your peers simply because their ideals are different than yours.
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#9It's a good article though I'd go so far as to say the piece it responds to isn't worthy of a response. Take this quote... "Nothing that comes from Microsoft can be for our good and benefit. They are dedicated to our destruction and downfall. Mono has infected Gnome. Ubuntu uses Gnome. I switched to Kubuntu and am happy with it. Now Moonlight is infecting Linux." There are two parts to the Linux community. One part s…
"The other sees this as some kind of holy war and is really just using Linux to act like drama queens." No need to deride an entire class of your peers simply because their ideals are different than yours.
It's not their ideals it's that they express them in a way that's counterproductive and designed to draw attention to themselves and not participate in a discussion.
Let me give you another example of this type of behavior. I personally disagreed with many of the decisions the Bush Administration made in the U.S. I have had many thoughtful discussions with people who thought differently and have, in some cases, changed their minds ever so slightly. The guy down the road from me shares my ideals but he expressed it by hanging a life sized doll of George Bush by a noose outside his garage and then eventually lighting it on fire. I assure you he convinced no one who didn't already agree with him and his actions were really just a thinly veiled cry for attention.
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#10What I find silly is that a large majority of developers prefer creating applications in Flash rather than Silverlight. Flash has proved to be very hard to reverse engineer thus has very little open-source support. With Silverlight, Microsoft has sponsored Novell in creating Moonlight which is completely open-source and could be built into every browser at one stage.
Yet I still read that people won't touch Silverlight because it's so proprietary and made by Microsoft!